http://www.electriciantalk.com Professional Electrical Contractors Discussing Business and Trade Knowledge About Residential and Commercial Work. en Fri, 20 Nov 2009 21:39:23 GMT vBulletin 60 http://www.electriciantalk.com/images/misc/rss.jpg http://www.electriciantalk.com http://www.electriciantalk.com/f26/union-lingo-10067/ Fri, 20 Nov 2009 19:11:31 GMT trying to join the union but im a little confused on union lingo. what exactly is a salt, scab, rat etc etc........here these terms thrown around all... trying to join the union but im a little confused on union lingo. what exactly is a salt, scab, rat etc etc........here these terms thrown around all the time and have an idea of what they mean but not 100% sure thanks ]]> Union Topics duff7830 http://www.electriciantalk.com/f26/union-lingo-10067/ http://www.electriciantalk.com/f17/any-thanksgiving-plans-10066/ Fri, 20 Nov 2009 18:14:51 GMT We (Me, the wife and kids) are going to Mehico (Mexico) for a week, should be a nice trip. We’re driving, in total: 14hrs. Not looking forward to... We (Me, the wife and kids) are going to Mehico (Mexico) for a week, should be a nice trip. We’re driving, in total: 14hrs. Not looking forward to the drive.

Happy Thanksgiving to those who celebrate it. And if you don’t celebrate it; Happy Thanksgiving anyway... :tt2: ]]> Off Topic Grimlock http://www.electriciantalk.com/f17/any-thanksgiving-plans-10066/ http://www.electriciantalk.com/f2/new-twist-10065/ Fri, 20 Nov 2009 16:57:05 GMT A friend of mine is looking for a whole house surge suppressor. His power company is offering one for a fee ($250.00) and a monthly charge. I know... A friend of mine is looking for a whole house surge suppressor. His power company is offering one for a fee ($250.00) and a monthly charge. I know you can buy them on the open market and install them. But a monthly charge? It marketed for services up to 400 amp with a $100,000 connected equipment warranty. He is asking me if it's a good deal or a rip off. ]]> General Electrical Discussion John Valdes http://www.electriciantalk.com/f2/new-twist-10065/ http://www.electriciantalk.com/f25/u-k-testing-procedures-10064/ Fri, 20 Nov 2009 16:13:55 GMT I would like to have ,if possible,a detailed list of the testing procedures that are performed on electrical installations over there.Would you also... I would like to have ,if possible,a detailed list of the testing procedures that are performed on electrical installations over there.Would you also list the testing equipment,as well as the time involved?We used a Fluke 1653B in Iraq,can't even buy them here AFAIK.What about yearly retesting?Is it as involved as initial testing,or no.I really like the fact of "proving" a proper installation.For simplicity,could you use a typical home as an example?
To further enlighten me,could you give details on ring main circuits,spurs,rules pertaining to them,etc.?Diagrams are great!In a consumer panel in a residence,is it true that they are true 1-phase,i.e. one live,one neutral plus earth?Thanks in advance for schooling me,Steve. ]]> UK Electrical Forum ibuzzard http://www.electriciantalk.com/f25/u-k-testing-procedures-10064/ http://www.electriciantalk.com/f2/drive-lines-big-screen-tv-10063/ Fri, 20 Nov 2009 16:02:10 GMT In the olden days, we used to call "drive lines" the horizontal line that would slowly move down the TV screen and it was usually due to a noisy neutral. Does anybody know of a test device which is good for measuring noise on the neutral? I used to use an oscilloscope, but that was a long time ago.

Anyway, the HO told me the cable folks are grounded to the meter socket which tells me they aren't grounded at all, but the cable guys furnished alternative power from their van and the drive line went away, thus, the drive line is due to the house power and not their cable system.

I'm going to look at it right now. ]]> General Electrical Discussion waco http://www.electriciantalk.com/f2/drive-lines-big-screen-tv-10063/ http://www.electriciantalk.com/f14/milwaukee-m-12-tools-10062/ Fri, 20 Nov 2009 15:58:58 GMT http://www.milwaukeetool.com/ProductCategory.aspx?CategoryName=SC%3A+M12+Cordless+System Last year, I picked up the M-Spector camera, with the... http://www.milwaukeetool.com/Product...ordless+System

Last year, I picked up the M-Spector camera, with the cordless screwdriver for about $250. Every time I use that camera, it pays for itself. I've used the snot out of that little screwdriver, and found it extremly useful when combined with this:
http://www.dewalt.com/us/products/ac...ategoryID=1491

6 in driver. It has a phillips, straight, #1 and #2 square drive, 1/4 nut driver, 5/16 nut driver, and the tips will interchange with the Klein 10 in 1.

A few months back, I picked up the M12 flashlight, and have found it to be quite handy when crawling through attics. It has a magnet on the back side of the handle for easy attachment to any metal surface.

This week, I picked up the M12 radio, and drill for about $180 bucks, the kit includes 2 batteries and charger, so I now have 4 batteries and 2 chargers (more power, argh, argh, argh). Haven't used the drill yet, but this radio rocks. I needed a replacement for my Dewalt radio (one of the originals, analog tuner, can't tune in any station, yet somehow manages to tune in all of them at the same time). I've been using it just for MP3 player duty lately. The M12 radio is about 20% of the size of the Dewalt radio, and has a compartment on the front for your MP3 player to sit in. Tuner is very good, and sound quality and volume are excellent.

Yes, I still love my Dewalt 18 Volt tools (hammerdrills, sawzalls, flashlight, fluorescent light, vacuum, saw) and no, M12 is not a replacement. But, so far, their light weight, compact size, and price has earned them a place in my van.

Just my 2 cents. ]]> Tools, Equipment and New Products Podagrower http://www.electriciantalk.com/f14/milwaukee-m-12-tools-10062/ http://www.electriciantalk.com/f3/hi-10061/ Fri, 20 Nov 2009 14:00:57 GMT Hi every one! new to this site:) Hi every one! new to this site:) ]]> Introductions Leedsspark123 http://www.electriciantalk.com/f3/hi-10061/ http://www.electriciantalk.com/f26/acorn-squashes-unions-10060/ Fri, 20 Nov 2009 13:30:31 GMT Could one of our fine union forum brothers explain this to me? Acorn Busts Unions (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2352667/posts) ... Could one of our fine union forum brothers explain this to me?

Acorn Busts Unions

Please feel free to google it there are tons more articles on this...

I so don't get this, I thought Obama and all the other Dems were pro union. I know Hillary is pretty anit-union being that she sat on the board of Walmart as legal council and helped orchestrate their whole anti-union policy and did a really good job of it I might add.

I am starting to wonder, if money can buy you anything, then does Acorn have more money than the unions? ]]> Union Topics PhatElvis http://www.electriciantalk.com/f26/acorn-squashes-unions-10060/ http://www.electriciantalk.com/f5/service-question-10059/ Fri, 20 Nov 2009 12:59:19 GMT I ran into a situation several years ago in which a garage was fed from the house by an overhead service. The previous contractor had used Standard... I ran into a situation several years ago in which a garage was fed from the house by an overhead service. The previous contractor had used Standard #6 triplex (ACSR messenger) so, no EGC was run between the two buildings. The neutral and ground in the garage panel were then bonded and a single rod was driven. This new electrode was not tied to the house's original grounding electrode. My first thought was that a diffrence in potential would arise. What do you guys think of this situation, how could it be improved overall? ]]> NEC Code Forum Thayer http://www.electriciantalk.com/f5/service-question-10059/ http://www.electriciantalk.com/f8/street-lighting-design-10058/ Fri, 20 Nov 2009 03:53:55 GMT This is for the same job as the type of 3R panel I was inquiring about a couple of days ago. The PoCo here is planning on running 4/0 triplex to... This is for the same job as the type of 3R panel I was inquiring about a couple of days ago.

The PoCo here is planning on running 4/0 triplex to feed streetlights off of a 100A DP breaker from the panel. Obviously, the first thing I thought was that 4/0 will not fit in a 100A SQD QO breaker although they can easily use Polaris fittings to reduce the wire size to fit.

What's got me is this just seems to be a poor design. I've never done street lighting or parking lot lighting and really do not want to so I guess I can't really make that assumption :rolleyes:.

This has got me thinking though; Is there anything in the NEC from preventing a 100A DP breaker from feeding however many streetlights are going to be installed? I've searched and searched and can't come up with anything. Seeing the earlier post at MikeHolts about parking lot lighting utilizing multiple 20A breakers got me thinking about this. ]]> Lighting Design chenley http://www.electriciantalk.com/f8/street-lighting-design-10058/ http://www.electriciantalk.com/f17/yep-10056/ Fri, 20 Nov 2009 02:51:06 GMT :thumbsup: :thumbsup: ]]> Off Topic Peter D http://www.electriciantalk.com/f17/yep-10056/ http://www.electriciantalk.com/f2/breakers-designed-internally-trip-10055/ Fri, 20 Nov 2009 02:01:11 GMT Had a 'discussion' with my boss today. He told a customer who had a piece of duck-tape over a breaker on the 'ON' position that the tape could cause the breaker to not trip if a short or overload happened. When we were alone I told him that a circuit breaker will internally trip even if the handle is obstructed. He's saying that's a bunch of BS and that when he was wiring fire-alarm control panels you would have to put a breaker lock and padlock on a breaker to keep it from tripping. I asked him what if you had a short?, it would burn up the equipment and his response was that's just what he was told to do. Supposedly the jobs were inspected and cleared by the city:blink:

So who's right, him or me? ]]> General Electrical Discussion Briancraig81 http://www.electriciantalk.com/f2/breakers-designed-internally-trip-10055/ http://www.electriciantalk.com/f5/ground-rod-not-10054/ Fri, 20 Nov 2009 01:42:07 GMT We are installing new electric service in a campground. Each site has a 50/30/20 amp metered pedistal, fed on 5 site loop with sweetbriar... We are installing new electric service in a campground. Each site has a 50/30/20 amp metered pedistal, fed on 5 site loop with sweetbriar {4/0-4/0-2/0 alum} from a 200 amp disconnect. A seperate #2 alum bond is also run. Some professionals say a ground-rod is required for each pedistal, others say that would be unessary, even others say it would pose a safty hazzard.

What does the forum think?

*The 20 amp receptical is a GFCI, there are 4 disconnects per transformer, there are 2 ground rods at the disconnects bonded to the neutral

Thanks

Lenny ]]> NEC Code Forum Lenny http://www.electriciantalk.com/f5/ground-rod-not-10054/ http://www.electriciantalk.com/f2/anyone-ever-wire-cadmach-rotary-tablet-press-10053/ Fri, 20 Nov 2009 01:37:39 GMT I was on my way to a job this morning when I got a call to go look at wiring a tablet press machine. Its a Cadmach Double sided press. I was in a... I was on my way to a job this morning when I got a call to go look at wiring a tablet press machine. Its a Cadmach Double sided press. I was in a rush and basically did a "drive by" site visit. I am wondering if the accessories for it get wired into the main unit or do they all need separate disconnects? The accessories are a vibro de duster, and a dust extractor. The room is considered class two div 2. Has anyone wired one of these...? ]]> General Electrical Discussion captkirk http://www.electriciantalk.com/f2/anyone-ever-wire-cadmach-rotary-tablet-press-10053/ http://www.electriciantalk.com/f2/sometimes-you-just-have-walk-away-10052/ Fri, 20 Nov 2009 01:36:41 GMT So I'm doing this job at steel fabrication shop. The place is an electrical nightmare. Just about everything in the place is a disaster and needs to be fixed.

I'm replacing some outlets and I needed to look into the possibility of adding some more circuits to this particular area. I trace the conduit back to the main service which is a mid 70's vintage. I find the panel where the existing circuits are and notice they are on 30 amp single pole breakers. Then I notice nearly the whole panel is full of single pole 30 amp breakers that mostly go the office area. This just got really interesting. :blink:

Against better judgement I open up the trough above the panel which isn't screwed in but just pressed in place. The trough is completely packed. I mean, there's not even room for a #18 in that thing. :laughing: I see the sticks and cardboard stuffed in there, and then I notice that there's melted wires and burned wires and burdy's with two layers of tape on them. The panel is connected to the trough via a two-inch offset nipple that has been filled beyond it's capacity by at least 1000%.

I put the trough cover back on and decided I wasn't going to try adding any more circuits. :) ]]> General Electrical Discussion Peter D http://www.electriciantalk.com/f2/sometimes-you-just-have-walk-away-10052/