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Old 04-03-2012, 09:16 PM   #1
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other than looking ugly is it ok to use bare ground or neutral bars from old panels for intersystem bonding bars?

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Old 04-03-2012, 09:20 PM   #2
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other than looking ugly is it ok to use bare ground or neutral bars from old panels for intersystem bonding bars?
Only if your from Whitehall

BTW, is this from a commercial of residential set up?

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Residential setup. I just have a bunch bars and thought maybe I would do it so the cable and telephone companies make their connections. And maybe grab one next trip to the supply house. Saving me a 45 min drive one way.
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Residential setup. I just have a bunch bars and thought maybe I would do it so the cable and telephone companies make their connections. And maybe grab one next trip to the supply house. Saving me a 45 min drive one way.
Not made to be out in the elements.
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Im not sure but something tells me it needs to be a listed item...
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Not made to be out in the elements.
It's inside.
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Im not sure but something tells me it needs to be a listed item...
Does not say it has to be listed in the NEC just has to meet the min 6 gauge copper wire and min 3 terminals.
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Why not just get the grounding devices from Arlington that's for this?
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I just need this in place so the telephone company and cable company can make their connections and grab one next time I go to the supply house.
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A reasonable person would conclude the op's idea is perfectly acceptable.
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A reasonable person would conclude the op's idea is perfectly acceptable.

I agree and have done just what he describes (indoors).
Why buy something you already have?
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Interesting thing today the guy from time warner cable cable comes and asks where my cable goes inside and is there a place to ground the new cable their I said there is a bonding bar fed with some #6. And he says they won't allow him to use it without even looking at it. I say what are the other options. Water main, clip on panel, or strip the #6 ground wire and use a clamp that has a lug for the cable ground. Basically the same thing as using a bonding bar.

I though an electrician was crazy when he said some cable guy put a clip on an outdoor panel cover when there was a nice bonding bar mounted to the ground conduit. This don't make sense the NEC says we have to have it but they won't use it.
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Interesting thing today the guy from time warner cable cable comes and asks where my cable goes inside and is there a place to ground the new cable their I said there is a bonding bar fed with some #6. And he says they won't allow him to use it without even looking at it. I say what are the other options. Water main, clip on panel, or strip the #6 ground wire and use a clamp that has a lug for the cable ground. Basically the same thing as using a bonding bar.

I though an electrician was crazy when he said some cable guy put a clip on an outdoor panel cover when there was a nice bonding bar mounted to the ground conduit. This don't make sense the NEC says we have to have it but they won't use it.
Maybe it just hasn't made the list yet.
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I did just that in my basement. Got a 6 space ground bar and mounted it to the wall. One ground comes in and I have multiple connections for phone systems and cable splitters.
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I did just that in my basement. Got a 6 space ground bar and mounted it to the wall. One ground comes in and I have multiple connections for phone systems and cable splitters.
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Does the phone company actually use it or do they do like they cable company and ignore it adding a clip to the meter or ground clamp on the wire instead. I installed a 20 terminal bar for splinters and all my networking. The cable guy was surprised to see a nice setup with backboard and grounding in a mobile home.

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What gauge wire do you use to ground the demarc box?
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I use the grounding bars inside on my installs. Usually drill and tap it to the side of the panel..Hope that's legal.

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45 minute drive to SH.
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Does the phone company actually use it or do they do like they cable company and ignore it adding a clip to the meter or ground clamp on the wire instead. I installed a 20 terminal bar for splinters and all my networking. The cable guy was surprised to see a nice setup with backboard and grounding in a mobile home.
If it was available I would use it as long as it is connected to the power ground.

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