MDShunk

Only to make money, and not to clean up a mess that's not even mine.

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Peter D

A lie is a lie.

InPhase277

Fudging, smearing, or dodging isn't exactly the same as telling an out right lie. Such as "I had to clean up the cables to improve the signal". That's just a plain, in-your-face naked lie.

Peter D

Ahh...I love semantics about what constitutes a lie and what doesn't.

InPhase277

Well, I've studied the subject in some detail, mostly with the police or the girlfriend. You can either say "I was out with John, Karen, and Chrissy".... Which won't go over so well.... or you can say "I was out with John".. which isn't in any way a lie, but is deceptive.

In the Robert Heinlein novel 'Time Enough for Love', he sums up the best ways to lie:

You can tell the truth, but not all of it, leaving out the details that get you in trouble... or,

Tell the whole truth, but tell it in such a manner that no one would possibly believe it.

GIRLFRIEND: "So, where were you last night?"
YOU: "I was partying in a hot tub with Karen and Chrissy"
GIRLFRIEND: "Yeah, right! You're crazy!"

hbiss

That's something I would expect a newly trained ladder monkey to be able to do. My question is still why the hell you are doing this instead of the cable company? Those are all cable drops.

-Hal

Peter D

Marc empowers himself to do everything. At least that's how he explains it.

nolabama

100% agree

Peter D

Me too.

Bob Badger

So my telling my kids that Santa will bring them presents, or that the evil things they might see on the news (floods, fires, etc) can not happen to them is the same as someone lying to the police about a murder they are guilty of?

Interesting .........

Pete you know I like ya, but I think your really just full of it on this one. Nothing in this world is that black and white.

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MDShunk

Not a doubt in my mind. It's certainly straightforward work. I'd bet one of my kids could have done it.

I remain curious why you care? I mean, you must care, because you've asked several times.

I suppose the real reason why is, "because I can". Nothing more to it than that. I want a small slice of every pie. Makes the day less boring. I ask the questions nobody else asks and, as a result, I tend to get a variety of work nobody else thought was even there to be had.

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Peter D

You feel it's ok to lie to your children? What good can ever come from doing that?


Oh well. That's typically what people say when they hear stuff like this, but I'll get over it.


Interesting....if someone harmed your wife or one of you daughters, does that still mean nothing in this world is that black and white anymore? Or would you suddenly have some very "black and white" feelings toward the perpetrator and what should happen to him? Seems like a very broad statement to make.

Did you also realize that by saying "Nothing in this world is that black and white" you made a 100% "black and white" (absolute) declaration? If nothing is "black and white" then you cannot absolutely declare that nothing is black and white without contradicting yourself.

George Stolz

I've never thought about what a colorless world it would be without some deceit.

Peter, you ever seen the movie "Big Fish"?

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Peter D

No, I have not.

This is the type of thing that will go on ad nauseum. If you don't believe in any kind of absolutes, you will never agree with someone who does. So we can debate this but it will simply go in circles.

Bob Badger

Yes, I do lie to them, I tell them I can protect them from any harm in the world when really it's a crap shoot. A plane could nose dive on my home tonight but if they asked me that I would say of course not.

They can sleep soundly and enjoy their childhood.


To me personally it would be very black and white, to society as whole no, there would always be more to it then that.




I will now walk sheepishly into the corner.

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Electrical Construction and Maintenance
MA, RI, CT

Lighting Retro

all this over some cabling? Who knew electricians were philosophers too?

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Black4Truck

Peter thinks global warming is a myth.. pictures are in black and white.

Less white (Ice) and more black (water) does that count in this discussion?

InPhase277

It's all in what we are talking about; global warming is no myth, yet Global Warming is. One is idea that the average global temperature is increasing, and there really is no doubt about that. Whereas Global Warming is the idea that humans are directly and solely responsible for it. And that is what I think is the myth.

Black4Truck

just look at all the brown gook that is floating around the planet.

All that coal burning can't be good for the environment.

I would rather error on the side that WE ARE responsible for global warming, than debating the problem for the next 10 years.

InPhase277

Don't mis-understand what I'm saying. Of course dumping pollutants into the air can't be good.

The problem with the assumption that we are the responsible party is that we will spend copious amounts of money trying to stop a natural phenomenon, and probably really screw something up.

What we should do instead is not further contribute to it. The mechanics of atmospheric and oceanographic patterns is little understood; we've only been recording data for a little more than 100 years, and the system is billions of years old. We have no idea of the long term cycles the system may go through. Trying to stop it may be a bad idea.

(Not only are electricians philosophers, we are geophysicists too)