Wireless P.A. system - Electrician Talk - Professional Electrical Contractors Forum

NolaTigaBait · 07-16-2009, 11:32 AM

Anybody have any suggestions as to what set-up i should use. Bear with me, I know nothing about this stuff and a good customer asked me if I could install a P.A. system.
It's for a country club where they have swim meets. They want a few speakers in the cabana right behind the pool and a few on the building which sits about 75 feet away from the pool.
They want to be able to walk around and announce without wires. Anybody know a good set-up for this?

drsparky · 07-16-2009, 12:02 PM

I've always like Bogen. http://www.bogen.com/

hbiss · 07-17-2009, 09:35 PM

Since you admittedly know nothing about this the professional thing to do would be to either sub it out or refer it. I'll never understand the "I know nothing about this but I'm going to do it anyway" mentality. If it were for yourself I would have no problem, but here you would be taking money from a customer. This is not something that you can just buy components for and connect them together. A certain amount of knowledge and experience is required to KNOW what equipment to buy and how to utilize it. This isn't a simple paging system, this is a lot more complicated than you realize. You can't just install a few speakers and have someone walking around with a wireless mic and expect it to work.

I'm sure that you want your customer to be satisfied and have a system that performs as they want it to. Unfortunately most systems installed in this way are disasters and the customer winds up having someone competant replace it. You don't want your name on something like that and I don't think you want to do that to your customer.

-Hal

NolaTigaBait · 07-17-2009, 09:59 PM

Well Hal, if you have NOTHING good to say then shut your mouth

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hbiss · 07-18-2009, 12:55 AM

Sorry if you don't like what I told you but I take a hard line with us pros acting like pros. And that's not just here. If you are a member of Holt's or several other boards you would get the same advice. I have no problem with an EC doing this kind of work, what I do have a problem with is starting from zero and trying to learn on a customer's nickle.

As I said above, sub it out or refer it, then watch and learn. That won't make you competant to do a job like this but at least it will show you what you didn't know.

-Hal

Shado · 07-18-2009, 02:12 AM

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Originally Posted by hbiss

...... what I do have a problem with is starting from zero and trying to learn on a customer's nickle.

-Hal

Hmmm....lets see...8000+ hours OJT on 'customers nickle' to qualify for Journeyman exam, then another 2000+ hours to qualify for Master License here......I see no other way around it....do you?
It is always on the customers nickle.

Your skill set came from where? Woke up one morning and had all the knowledge? NO OJT time at all???? I find that impossible to believe.....

Your expertise was all paid by the customer.....period.

wildleg · 07-18-2009, 08:53 AM

I love learning on the customer's nickle. I hate it when I have to learn on my own nickle.

drsparky · 07-18-2009, 09:24 AM

Go to the Bogen home page http://www.bogen.com/, click on support, click on free application design service. they can help you with placement and a complete bill of materials. Good luck.
Chuck

MDShunk · 07-18-2009, 10:00 AM

I was at an ourdoor auction a few weeks ago and the auctioneer was using a Pyle brand wireless PA system. I remembered that, mostly because the auctioneer also looked a little bit like Gomer Pyle.

Fredman · 07-18-2009, 10:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Shado

Hmmm....lets see...8000+ hours OJT on 'customers nickle' to qualify for Journeyman exam, then another 2000+ hours to qualify for Master License here......I see no other way around it....do you?
It is always on the customers nickle.

Your skill set came from where? Woke up one morning and had all the knowledge? NO OJT time at all???? I find that impossible to believe.....

Your expertise was all paid by the customer.....period.

There is a huge difference. You started as, and were recognized as an apprentice - paid at that scale - and had a journeyman as your guide.

After that you had some experience. You did start with a journeyman right? To me, thats a far cry from walking into a specialty job totally green and without a clue. Listen to the voice of experience. (Not mine - HALS!)

NolaTigaBait · 07-18-2009, 11:23 AM

I really don't see what the big deal is here.... I've talked to a local sound specialist and i'm meeting with him on tuesday. All the customer wants is a wireless pa that they can pack up and move at the end of the swim meet. A couple of speakers , mixer, amp, blah, and a wireless mic and 'm good. I just needed to be pointed in the right direction.
Thanks Dr. Sparky.

NolaTigaBait · 07-18-2009, 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by MDShunk

I was at an ourdoor auction a few weeks ago and the auctioneer was using a Pyle brand wireless PA system. I remembered that, mostly because the auctioneer also looked a little bit like Gomer Pyle.

surprise, surprise, surprise

drsparky · 07-18-2009, 11:25 AM

You are welcome. Are you going with Bogen?

NolaTigaBait · 07-18-2009, 11:46 AM

I'm meeting with the guy on tuesday. I think he is pushing me to Peavy.

Phone Dude · 07-18-2009, 12:27 PM

LOL, so you are actually taking Hals advice, and getting someone that knows what they are doing?

This inst a matter of just throwing up some speakers and hooking up a wireless mic.

If they are going to walk around, speaker placement and eq's to cut some harmful frequencies are a necessity.

THEN, you need to tune the system correctly. This isn't a paging system in a warehouse, this is an audio install.

for listening to advice.

drsparky · 07-18-2009, 12:44 PM

I always wanted to be Joan Jetts roadie.

NolaTigaBait · 07-18-2009, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Phone Dude

LOL, so you are actually taking Hals advice, and getting someone that knows what they are doing?

This inst a matter of just throwing up some speakers and hooking up a wireless mic.

If they are going to walk around, speaker placement and eq's to cut some harmful frequencies are a necessity.

THEN, you need to tune the system correctly. This isn't a paging system in a warehouse, this is an audio install.

for listening to advice.

Angry Cable Guy, NO, I am not taking his advice. He advised me NOT to do the install. I will be doing this install. I'm meeting with a local sales distributor to go over what materials I need. Thanks for playing though

NolaTigaBait · 07-18-2009, 01:30 PM

Thing that pisses me off is that you phone/cable guys think that no one else can do this kind of work. All i needed was to be pointed in the right direction. I don't consider myself a diyer.

hbiss · 07-18-2009, 09:44 PM

Thing that pisses me off is that you phone/cable guys think that no one else can do this kind of work.

Well hell, if I ever saw one of you guys do this stuff right I wouldn't be complaining. Lets see, you have never done this before, you know nothing about it, a pro that you consulted told you to stay away, I told you not to do it. Why do you think that is?

By the way, I have this friend who has this big hemorrhoid he needs removed. Wanna take care of that too?

-Hal

NolaTigaBait · 07-18-2009, 09:53 PM

Hey, at least I'm not a douchebag....Kinda like you, Hal