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08-26-2007, 01:52 PM
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#4 stranded won't fit.
Now, why the lug RIGHT above this couldn't be used, I don't know.  I guess someone couldn't be bothered getting their allen keys.
Busbar screw was cross-threaded, and the "add-a-lug" wasn't even close to being tight to the bar.
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08-26-2007, 02:07 PM
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You know what's funny? #4 WILL fit in that bar. 
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08-26-2007, 06:07 PM
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I added 2 #4s, and had a HELL of a time making them fit. It will take 4 solid no problem, but 4 stranded is a bear.
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08-27-2007, 02:55 PM
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I have used Breaker Box Neutral Lug. They go from #4 through 0 wire size
They come with the Square D Panels and you can get extra one at Homedepot
Last edited by curranelectric; 08-27-2007 at 03:52 PM.
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08-27-2007, 05:20 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by curranelectric
I have used Breaker Box Neutral Lug. They go from #4 through 0 wire size
They come with the Square D Panels and you can get extra one at Homedepot
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The one pictured is a QO70AN, and has a 70 amp limit. I see this used sometimes noncompliantly. The QO100AN bolts right on top of the bar (doesn't have the two fingers) and is rated at 100 amps.
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08-27-2007, 06:09 PM
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Seimens panel. 
However, the point is well taken.
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08-28-2007, 11:33 AM
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Often wonder when checking out your USA stuff why you folks don't sleeve your earth (ground) wires. It is great way to ensure some insulation around the bare conductor to help against accidental contact with hot (live) parts.
Looks pretty neat too
Frank
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09-04-2007, 06:56 PM
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John,
What is the wire below the lug ( in the top photo) is that how seimens is tieing the neutral bars together? It used to be a bar bolted at the bottom.
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09-04-2007, 07:10 PM
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Quote:
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Often wonder when checking out your USA stuff why you folks don't sleeve your earth (ground) wires.
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I bet it would look cool, but it's kinda pointless when the panel is metal too.
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09-10-2007, 10:49 AM
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Quote:
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John,
What is the wire below the lug ( in the top photo) is that how seimens is tieing the neutral bars together? It used to be a bar bolted at the bottom.
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Yes. It is factory installed.
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09-10-2007, 06:03 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by frank
Often wonder when checking out your USA stuff why you folks don't sleeve your earth (ground) wires. It is great way to ensure some insulation around the bare conductor to help against accidental contact with hot (live) parts.
Looks pretty neat too
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In commercial the ground wire is generally insulated. In most parts of the USA(not all, Chicago, Ill being one example) we are allowed to use non-metallic sheathed cable, commonly called "romex" in residences. The ground is never insulated in the cable assembly. That being said, I agree. It can be sketchy adding circuits in homes.
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12-13-2007, 05:06 PM
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Where's the noalox?
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12-13-2007, 07:08 PM
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Yes, that is the neutral bar. We use siemens exclusively for panels. I NEVER put neutrals on that side.
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12-13-2007, 07:40 PM
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Quote:
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Where's the noalox?
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Where is the requirement to use Noalox?
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12-13-2007, 09:41 PM
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Quote:
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I NEVER put neutrals on that side.
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May I ask why?
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12-16-2007, 07:28 PM
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Are they trying to get 3 circuits out that 12-4 in that single phase panel??
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12-16-2007, 09:03 PM
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Quote:
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Are they trying to get 3 circuits out that 12-4 in that single phase panel??
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Actually, that's 14-2-2. black, white, red, white/red stripe. 2 AFCI circuits.
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12-16-2007, 10:39 PM
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I call it 12-4 because it's easier to say that than 12-2-2, I'll be more specific in any future posts. Reason I ask, is I just went on a service call the other day where some idiot ran all their home runs into the attic with it and branched off from them. Needless to say most of the neutrals were burned up from doubling up the same phase on them.
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02-11-2008, 07:59 AM
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looks to me like the electrician that installed that panel forgot the bonding screw right beside the lug not used at the top of the neutral buss.
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02-11-2008, 09:50 AM
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That installation has one word written all over it- "jake-legged"
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