7 Codes & 26 Deficiencies - Electrician Talk - Professional Electrical Contractors Forum

Mastertorturer · 10-03-2009, 10:56 PM

Actually 9 but I forgot to change the title. Ooops

Code Hunting (The not so elusive prey)

Well it doesn't take long to find more violations where I work. This time I'm going to do something more productive with it though. Like listing the violations and codes so the correct way is known to everyone.

Lets get started!

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Ontario Electrical Safety Code [24th Edition 2009]

12-3024 Unused Openings in Boxes, Cabinets and Fittings
( 12 deficiencies - #7,9,11,12,15,16,17,18,19,20,21,22)

Unused openings in boxes, cabinets, and fittings shall be effectively closed by plugs or plates affording protection substantially equivelant to that of the wall of the box, cabinet, or fitting.

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12-1404 Supports
(6 deficiencies - #2,3,4,5,23)

Electrical Metalic Tubing shall be installed as a complete system and shall be securely fastened in place within 1 meter of each outlet box, junction box, cabinet, coupling, or fitting and the spacing between supports shall be in accordance with those specified in rule 12-1010

12-1010 Maximum Spacing of Conduit Supports

(1) All ridged metal conduit of one size shall be securely attached to hangers or to a solid surface with the maximum spacings of the points of support not greater than
(a) 1.5m for 16 and 21 trade size conduit;
(b) 2m for 27 and 35 trade size conduit; and
(c) 3m for 41 trade size conduit or larger.

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12-2102 Method of Installation of Wireways
(1 deficiency - #1)

(3) Dead-ends of wireways shall be closed by fittings

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12-3012 Boxes, Cabinets, and Fitting Supports
(1 deficiency - #10)

(1) boxes, cabinets, and fittings shall be fastened securely in place.

12-3002 Outlet Box Covers
(1 deficiency - #24)

Cover plates installed on flush-mounted boxes and surface-mounted outlets boxes shall be a type for which each is designed.

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2-108 Quality of Work [For clarity this is the doors jammed together]
(1 deficiency - # 14)

The mechanical arrangement and execution of the work in connection with any electrical installation shall be acceptable.

14-408 Indication of Control Device Positions
(2 deficiencies - # 8,13)

Manually operable control devices shall indicate the "ON" and "OFF" positions, unless the application of the devices makes this requirement unnecesary.

2-300 General requirements for maintenance and operation
(2 deficiencies - #8,13)
[Safety mechanism to keep door closed while energized damaged]

(1) All operating electrical equipment shall be kept in safe and proper working condition.

So there you have it. 26 deficiencies right there. I imagine you hard working intelligent electricians with no jobs now are seriously mad the idiots who get paid to do this.

Sad how un-fair things are. One day I hope this insanity turns around.

Peter D · 10-03-2009, 11:24 PM

Darn metric system.

That's a pretty American looking setup you have there. Is that 600 volts?

Black4Truck · 10-03-2009, 11:28 PM

Nice job of posting pics WITH explanation of code violations

Peter D · 10-03-2009, 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Black4Truck

Nice job of posting pics WITH explanation of code violations

That is true, because I have no idea what the violations would be in the Canadian Electrical Code.

480sparky · 10-03-2009, 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Peter D

That is true, because I have no idea what the violations would be in the Canadian Electrical Code.

And how would that be different than you having any idea what violations would be of the National Electrical Code?

Peter D · 10-03-2009, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by 480sparky

And how would that be different than you having any idea what violations would be of the National Electrical Code?

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Peter D - 0

Black4Truck · 10-04-2009, 12:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Peter D

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crizpyfingerz · 10-04-2009, 06:23 PM

You know what irritates me the most about those pictures? The fact that they're such small deficiencies, all of which could be taken care of in a day. Granted, a little more effort would have to be put in to move up the actual disconnects and fix the safety mechanisms but its still doable. I bet all of this has been ignored for years.

BryanMD · 10-04-2009, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by crizpyfingerz

The fact that they're such small deficiencies, all of which could be taken care of in a day...

by someone who charges for their time by the hour.

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I bet all of this has been ignored for years.

plant guys.

Story on the recent sugar plant fire and OSHA:
http://www.news4jax.com/news4georgia...61/detail.html

crizpyfingerz · 10-04-2009, 07:52 PM

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Originally Posted by BryanMD

by someone who charges for their time by the hour.

So 50-100 an hour vs. potential electrical fire that could harm others.

seems like a no brainer to me.

knowshorts · 10-05-2009, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by crizpyfingerz

So 50-100 an hour vs. potential electrical fire that could harm others.

seems like a no brainer to me.

How can a few missing straps and covers cause a potential fire?

Mastertorturer · 10-07-2009, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by knowshorts

How can a few missing straps and covers cause a potential fire?

Irrelevant. The Ontario Electrical Safety Code is a legal binding document. It's not up to debate which you use or ignore.

To answer your question.

Rodents, dust, falling debris, accidental contact, mechanical damage and my favourite liquids. All of which have no business entering an enclosure with bare live parts or soft insulation.

Peter D · 10-07-2009, 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Mastertorturer

Rodents, dust, falling debris, accidental contact, mechanical damage and my favourite liquids. All of which have no business entering an enclosure with bare live parts or soft insulation.

It's "favorite", not "favourite".