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Old 06-20-2016, 01:45 AM   #1
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I just tried to get a electrical final on a house today and the inspector who had already done the rough in inspection and said nothing. failed me because there is about a 6ft counter in the kitchen that has a window right behind it the whole length of the counter so there is no wall or back splash behind the counter for me to put a plug in. I told him the code said (wall counter top space) the key word being WALL. Code 210.52 c 1. No point along the the (wall) line is more than 2 ft from a plug. He said it's based on the counter top it's self and not the wall. So what do yall think am I right in my argument?
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Old 06-20-2016, 02:44 AM   #2
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This is why I have seen plug mold on similarly described counters.
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He's right as far as I know. There is receptacles that are placed in the counter top, two styles I've seen. One rises up vertical and the other rotates up.
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Good. Do they make those in TR?
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IMO, the op has a good argument. If there is a doorway that doesn't count nor do cabinets. I believe ec&m had an article on this very issue.
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If it were conditional upon "wall" we wouldn't have requirements for islands or peninsulas, right?
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Good. Do they make those in TR?
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(1) Wall Countertop Spaces. A receptacle outlet shall be
installed at each wall countertop space that is 300 mm (12 in.)
or wider. Receptacle outlets shall be installed so that no point
along the wall line is more than 600 mm (24 in.) measured
horizontally from a receptacle outlet in that space.
It does say 'wall' ,not sure if glass falls under the def of it.....~CS~
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It does say 'wall' ,not sure if glass falls under the def of it.....~CS~
The non moving part of a glass door does.
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A 4" square or Wiremold box can be stuck to glass with the right epoxy.
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so the window is sitting there and it's not in a wall ?

I agree he is a douchebag for not saying something on the rough, though.
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Yea I knew about the plugs that come out of the top of the counter but but based on thr fact that the code didn't say counter top only but rather than wall counter top didn't think it was necessary. Also not sure if they work when you have drawers under the counter. But this guy has been a pain the whole way he has been treating this job like is was a Brad new open stud house. On the rough he failed it 3 times kept coming back after I changed whatever he said and he would tell me to add more plugs saying it's the 12ft rule. I know the code but this house is a remodel and the walls are closed. Idk if there is a code for remodel situation or not but with all the remodels I've done I've never had that problem with a inspector. Also had me remove all of the old wire from the house. I finally had to go over his head to his boss and tell them this guy keeps adding crap with every inspection and cutting my profit every time. Side note he didn't even look at the service was to worried about the damn plugs.
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A 4" square or Wiremold box can be stuck to glass with the right epoxy.

I'd use Velcro. That way if the HO wants to move it, they could.
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What section did he cite for a reference?
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He didn't
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I can see the argument either way but if there were windows in a living room that went to the floor then we are required to install floor receptacles. I have never seen anyone allow you to omit a space because of a window.
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What section did he cite for a reference?
210.52(C) but that still depends on whether you consider the window a wall or not.
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Then tell him to come back and do his job. It isn't your job to read his mind. Make him cite a reference then you will either understand it or dispute it. Always get a reference.
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You're going to lose this fight. Push too hard about the wall minutiae, and the counter will become an island with zero clearance
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