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TOOL_5150 · 10-18-2009, 07:44 PM

I was at a model home and saw this... Whos great decision was this:

At a differnet job, looked over at the neighbors service drop and saw this:

I was in a panel and saw this, not a violation, but funny:

~Matt

Black4Truck · 10-18-2009, 07:49 PM

Besides screwing up the counter-top layout, why not use GFI outlets in every box instead of those "feed through" ones.

IMO it is just a better job, especially with kitchens on the high end

TOOL_5150 · 10-18-2009, 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Black4Truck

Besides screwing up the counter-top layout, why not use GFI outlets in every box instead of those "feed through" ones.

IMO it is just a better job, especially with kitchens on the high end

It all comes down to money - these are tract homes... thrown together by a bunch of illegals and sold for top dollar.

~Matt

TOOL_5150 · 10-18-2009, 07:57 PM

To add, I agree with GFCI in each box. Heck, my countertop has 4 GFCI's and 3 of the 4 are on dedicated circuits.

~Matt

Black4Truck · 10-18-2009, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by TOOL_5150

It all comes down to money - these are tract homes... thrown together by a bunch of illegals and sold for top dollar.

~Matt

Tract homes are a whole different ballgame

I hope ICE stops by one of their construction sites

Speedy Petey · 10-18-2009, 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Black4Truck

Besides screwing up the counter-top layout, why not use GFI outlets in every box instead of those "feed through" ones.

IMO it is just a better job, especially with kitchens on the high end

You'd really like to see a GFI device at each box????? To me that screams DIY or handyman, and personally I think it looks tacky as hell.
Don't take offense, this is simply my opinion.
If you really want high-end, use GFI breakers and spec grade receptacles.

Bob Badger · 10-18-2009, 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Speedy Petey

You'd really like to see a GFI device at each box????? To me that screams DIY or handyman, and personally I think it looks tacky as hell.
Don't take offense, this is simply my opinion.
If you really want high-end, use GFI breakers and spec grade receptacles.

I would rather a GFCI at each location, it is often a spec for the buildings we do.

Less chance of nuisance tripping and much easer to reset if they do trip.

Every piece of utilization equipment has leakage current and brings the GFCI closer to the trip point.

regieleeroth · 10-18-2009, 08:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Speedy Petey

You'd really like to see a GFI device at each box????? To me that screams DIY or handyman, and personally I think it looks tacky as hell.
Don't take offense, this is simply my opinion.
If you really want high-end, use GFI breakers and spec grade receptacles.

Sure it's high-end, but then that's leading to the HO going downstairs and resetting the CB, which is way out of the realm of some, no matter how rich.

...wait, that's what service calls are for, right? Nevermind. $$$

regieleeroth · 10-18-2009, 08:09 PM

..and I guess three wasn't a charm for that messenger..

Black4Truck · 10-18-2009, 08:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Speedy Petey

You'd really like to see a GFI device at each box????? To me that screams DIY or handyman, and personally I think it looks tacky as hell.
Don't take offense, this is simply my opinion.
If you really want high-end, use GFI breakers and spec grade receptacles.

Having a GFI in every box just makes things easier when they start going bad.

A HO can live without (1) counter top outlet not working, take (4) out of service and it's a catastrophe IMO

NolaTigaBait · 10-18-2009, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Black4Truck

Having a GFI in every box just makes things easier when they start going bad.

A HO can live without (1) counter top outlet not working, take (4) out of service and it's a catastrophe IMO

I've never had a problem with gfi nuisance tripping. I usually have no more than 1 outlet being feed from one gfi. And yeah, I agree with petey, i think a gfi at every box is kinda tacky. This is just my dumb opinion as well.

st0mps · 10-18-2009, 09:37 PM

to me gfi's in the back splash are getting old n out dated. I been doing high end kitchens lately, that the cabinets come with LIGHT-RAILS n we install low-voltage Ambiance light's made by sea-gull lighting and wire-mold outlet strips in the back of the light rail on a GFI breaker of course in the panel, that way it gives the back splash a complete look with no outlets in the back splash

NolaTigaBait · 10-18-2009, 09:40 PM

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Originally Posted by st0mps

to me gfi's in the back splash are getting old n out dated. I been doing high end kitchens lately, that the cabinets come with LIGHT-RAILS n we install low-voltage Ambiance light's made by sea-gull lighting and wire-mold outlet strips in the back of the light rail on a GFI breaker of course in the panel, that way it gives the back splash a complete look with no outlets in the back splash

I heard those wiremold strips are a pain.

st0mps · 10-18-2009, 09:43 PM

yes they are a super pain in the a** especially when the cabinets are installed and your back is laying on the cabinets looking in the air but the kitchens come out so much more cleaner n with the low-voltage lighting and wire-mold stripes gives it such a clean look, we run all the low-voltage wires/120volt switch leg to under the sink so you can access your transformer when ever it goes out

Bob Badger · 10-18-2009, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by NolaTigaBait

I heard those wiremold strips are a pain.

And they now have to be tamper resistant which right now is very expensive.

Bob Badger · 10-18-2009, 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by st0mps

we run all the low-voltage wires/120volt switch leg to under the sink so you can access your transformer when ever it goes out

You can't conceal 'low voltage wire' for low voltage lights, you would have to run a chapter 3 wiring method to meet code.

st0mps · 10-18-2009, 09:52 PM

yea the wire-mold strips now aren't cheap at all they are on the expensive side as well the low-voltage wire from sea-gull , a job with wire-mold strips n the under cabinet lighting with the low-voltage dimmer runs the HO $1,500+ so its worth it

captkirk · 10-18-2009, 10:02 PM

I cant stand wire mold. I would hate to have to bend over everytime I plug and unplug. IMO plug mold is for folks that dont acually use appliances to cook.
Besides whats wrong with looking at outlets...? I would much rather have it in a conveinet location. I also wouldnt like to have to go to my basement to reset a gfci breaker. Not that gfcis trip all that much.

captkirk · 10-18-2009, 10:03 PM

I bet that range top was origionally spect for a 30" range top.... and surprise surprise a 36"incher showed up.

william1978 · 10-18-2009, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by captkirk

I bet that range top was origionally spect for a 30" range top.... and surprise surprise a 36"incher showed up.

Thats what I thought when I saw that first picture also.