Got laid off for installing according to the NEC - Page 3 - Electrician Talk - Professional Electrical Contractors Forum

leland · 06-14-2009, 10:36 PM

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Originally Posted by BryanMD

I'll grant that the legalities might vary in Texas... but I seriously doubt an employee following a direct order has any sort of culpability.

But getting down to brass tacks... would you be willing to quit (or tell the boss he'll have to fire you) rather than do something you believe (or even are certain) is wrong?

I doubt there is anyone reading this board who hasn't been in that position at some point. I know I have.

In Mass. this is clearly spelled out. Just make sure you have proof come 'judgment day' (court)

oldman · 06-15-2009, 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Magnettica

Hell yeah. There's a few good GC's out there but you're right, working directly for the person footing the bill is the way to go.

it is if you have the right temperment...some guys don't...

one thing about working directly for the end use...you better be able to sell...

most guys work for GCs because they only know how to sell on price, so they let the GC's find the work and sell it to the customers...

there are many guys out there who would starve within a week if they had to generate their own projects and sell themselves...

prldrp1 · 06-15-2009, 11:44 AM

here in Chicago the wireman out in the field 9 ( or union steward)is responsible to install as per code, if you don't, the contractor and the union can make you go back and do it the right way at YOUR cost (ex... without pay), and if the contractor tells you to install against code and you follow that order and someone gets hurt, your BOTH can be sued and held liable

BDB · 06-15-2009, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by prldrp1

if you don't, the contractor and the union can make you go back and do it the right way at YOUR cost (ex... without pay)

Have always heard this, BUT I have never seen it enforced by the hall

prldrp1 · 06-15-2009, 03:26 PM

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Originally Posted by BDB

Have always heard this, BUT I have never seen it enforced by the hall

BDB...its stated right in our bylaws and yes...in my 37 years in the trade I have seen it only once enforced, the guy was the journey man in charge of a two man job, and he really f'd it up, he spent two saturdays on his time fixing it

BDB · 06-15-2009, 03:35 PM

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Originally Posted by prldrp1

journey man in charge of a two man job, and he really f'd it up, he spent two saturdays on his time fixing it

Glad he had to fix it, good to see them honor the by laws. It is in the by-laws here as well, but try and get someone to actually do it and they will just drag up.

brian john · 06-15-2009, 04:58 PM

I have been told to do stuff improperly and I did it per the NEC, I was reamed and I pulled out the book and showed my sustantation for my work.

ALWAYS KNOW YOU ARE RIGHT. It appears that the OP may not be 100% up on the NEC just from the statement he made about EMT (barring any local rules).

Me personally it is pride of ALWAYS doing the job properly, I'd either do it per the NEC or walk. But as I stated I'd read the NEC over 5 times to know I was right and then call someone with more knowledge than me like 480, Marc or one of the other NEC experts here.

paul d. · 06-15-2009, 05:14 PM

as a hourly paid, grunt construction type electrician, i rarely see any code issues. i just do what the boss says. if i see anything thats dont seem right , i let him know. have'nt picked up the NEC in years.

brian john · 06-15-2009, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by paul d.

as a hourly paid, grunt construction type electrician, i rarely see any code issues. i just do what the boss says. if i see anything thats dont seem right , i let him know. have'nt picked up the NEC in years.

Read the book and aspire to be more than a grunt.

prldrp1 · 06-15-2009, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by paul d.

as a hourly paid, grunt construction type electrician, i rarely see any code issues. i just do what the boss says. if i see anything thats dont seem right , i let him know. have'nt picked up the NEC in years.

don't you get tired of working like a zombie????....don't you want the challenge of having to think alittle bit on the job?...having some input? Maybe helping the boss by taking the print for an area and look it over and in a nice way, tell him you have that area or job covered? I bet he will appreciate it

480sparky · 06-15-2009, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by paul d.

as a hourly paid, grunt construction type electrician, i rarely see any code issues. i just do what the boss says. if i see anything thats dont seem right , i let him know. have'nt picked up the NEC in years.

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Originally Posted by prldrp1

don't you get tired of working like a zombie????.......

Zombie is right!

I can see his next performance review: "Lacks motivation. Does not aspire to learn. No future with this company."

paul d. · 06-15-2009, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by brian john

Read the book and aspire to be more than a grunt.

well, i'm 55 y.o. they usually give me 3-5 guys to do my grunt work. i'm happy with it. BUT i would advise these younger guys to learn more code, controls, AND get licence. do as i say, not as i do.

prldrp1 · 06-15-2009, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by paul d.

well, i'm 55 y.o. they usually give me 3-5 guys to do my grunt work. i'm happy with it. BUT i would advise these younger guys to learn more code, controls, AND get licence. do as i say, not as i do.

thats right paul....I am 56, there are certain jobs I won't even try to do anymore......4" in a ditch etc... but I feel its my job to also teach these young ones the RIGHT way and SMART way to do things, boss may not like me taking a few extra min. to show the *kid* whats up......but oh well, but I make up for that by helping the boss in other areas so he doesn't have be 5 places at one time