Holes in drywall too big - Page 5 - Electrician Talk - Professional Electrical Contractors Forum

TimChaput69 · 04-13-2012, 09:57 PM

Really? You from the area? You must have been doing the main st. crawl from Marthas to the Irish bar!! Nice to know people on this site are from the area!!

RIVETER · 04-13-2012, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by mcclary's electrical

If it's a rough in, how is the drywall hole too big?

That is a good point.

mcclary's electrical · 04-13-2012, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by wesleydnunder

Our interpretation of that reference is that the cut opening should be 1/8" or less around the plaster ring. We don't consider that the sheet-rock mud slopped inside and out of the plaster ring, most of the time covering mounting holes and half-filling the box, is sufficient. Usually, by the time the electrician has knocked the mud out of his box and has pulled his box forward (the box having been shoved back into the wall when they screw the drywall on top of it, then cut the opening with a roto-zip), most of the mud has been cracked or knocked off or loosened to the point where it no longer complies with the code.

Once again, would you rather, as the electrician on the job, that we have you pull all your device covers off during the final inspection so that we can check for code compliance then?

Mark

Youur interpretation is wrong. REPAIRED is the first word in the code article. How do you REPAIR a hole, by cutting it one time and not touching it again? Is that a REPAIR? NO, that's called A CUT. and guess what? If the accidentally cuts one wrong and ends up with a hole bigger than 1/8", the it can be REPAIRED.

TimChaput69 · 04-13-2012, 10:18 PM

Oh crap, here we go again!!

mcclary's electrical · 04-13-2012, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by wesleydnunder

Nor is it my job to remove covers. So, I guess I just have to trust that this will have been done. If I could operate on trust, amigo mio, my job wouldn't be necessary.

Just because 99% of inspectors wouldn't have made this call is meaningless. The same percentage of inspectors never worked in the electrical trade. They, at best, took an ICC test and, VOILA!, are qualified to inspect the most difficult-to-master trade there is. Don't waste your time arguing this point. I've dealt with these individuals for decades. They couldn't tell you what the proper opening around a plaster ring is.

As for my popularity? Meh.
When I get home from work my dogs still love me.

It's ok though. You got your panties twisted over this...you'll get glad in the same knickers, darlin'.

And, fwiw, I've already received at least one PM and several "Thanks".

Not completely unpopular, sugar.

Mark

When I said you were unpopular, I didn;t mean hear silly. I was directly quoted what you said about yourself. Whewww, you're really confused.

mcclary's electrical · 04-13-2012, 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by B W E

I thought it was pretty clear from the beginning that he flagged two trades. Jeez, he even numbered them and named them within the first two words... Drywallers and EC. Everyone so quick to jump down a guy's throat......

BEcause he's wrong. The name of the article is REPAIRING holes larger than 1/8", not CUTTING holes larger than 1/8"

Awg-Dawg · 04-13-2012, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by wesleydnunder

Please provide the survey that backs this up.

Mark

You're the one that said 99% of inspectors never worked in the field.

That proves youre an idiot.

HARRY304E · 04-13-2012, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by mcclary's electrical

BEcause he's wrong. The name of the article is REPAIRING holes larger than 1/8", not CUTTING holes larger than 1/8"

Take a look at the first post he said he was calling out the GC not the EC.

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314.21 Repairing Noncombustible Surfaces. Noncombustible
surfaces that are broken or incomplete around boxes
employing a flush-type cover or faceplate shall be repaired
so there will be no gaps or open spaces greater than 3 mm
(1⁄8 in.) at the edge of the box.

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Holes in drywall too big
Yesterday, I turned down the rough-in inspections for two whole buildings in a local outlet mall being built.

Two reasons:
1. The drywall installers had cut the holes for the plaster rings way too big. I explained that he would be allowed a 1/8" gap around the plaster rings so the devices could later be installed properly. The GC was not happy with me and told me in 25 yrs no one has ever mentioned that code reference to him or turned down his inspection for it. I said welcome to Texas City.

2. The EC had installed flex 90s inside the walls to transition to outside wall packs. I showed him how those fittings are not designed to pull wire around and had him change all those drops to emt.

Needless to say, I ain't the most popular guy in town right now, but the jobs go in correctly or not at all...

Mark

TimChaput69 · 04-13-2012, 10:46 PM

Are you guys serious!!?? This thread has been going all day and unfortunately I was directly affected and I'm done with it at this point. Right now I'm thinking about rock climbing tomorrow morning then replacing a shower regulator for a friend......oh crap will I be prosecuted to the full extent of the law for doing that?? Hope there are no plumbers on this site. I miss rock climbing due to the fact that the winter here sucked so bad that there was no good ice climbing this year!

B W E · 04-13-2012, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by mcclary's electrical

BEcause he's wrong. The name of the article is REPAIRING holes larger than 1/8", not CUTTING holes larger than 1/8"

He's flagged the drywallers. Not the EC. Soooooo, how are you using the NEC to argue his actions?? That's kinda stupid.

He also pointed out the due to the size of the hole, the standard method of repair, slopping in some mud, wouldn't be adequate, because as we all know, that crap ALL breaks away as soon as you try to clear it out of the opening to install devices, once again exposing the sloppy cut.

Funny how you're the biggest loudmouth here and the first to chime in about "hack" work, and this guy comes in and throws the flag on crap, hack, work and you jump all over him. Get a life dude. You of all people, who ignores glaring code violations, to ensure you get to continue working and bill your client, defending yourself by saying "not my fault the plans were bad.". Puhlease!!

Awg-Dawg · 04-13-2012, 11:17 PM

[quote=B W E;690049He also pointed out the due to the size of the hole, the standard method of repair, slopping in some mud, wouldn't be adequate![/quote]

Not his call.

Im pretty sure that is an acceptable repair.

Are you saying it isnt?

TimChaput69 · 04-13-2012, 11:21 PM

Hey guys lets not kill eachother for crying out loud!! We're on the same team!!! I like the debate but it's kinda over. Maybe this is why plumbers can charge more than we do!! I'm gonna get alot of s**t for that statement I know but still quit the crud, you cruddy cruds!! (Thats from Bad News Bears).

B W E · 04-13-2012, 11:21 PM

1. Um, he's the inspector on the job, so, I think it is his call.

2. I'm pretty sure you're not the ahj, and his is, so I'm pretty sure it doesn't matter what you think
Is acceptable.

3. Doesn't matter what I think, I'm not the ahj, he is.

Hack work is being corrected, what's wrong with that?

Awg-Dawg · 04-13-2012, 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by B W E

1. Um, he's the inspector on the job, so, I think it is his call.

2. I'm pretty sure you're not the ahj, and his is, so I'm pretty sure it doesn't matter what you think
Is acceptable.

3. Doesn't matter what I think, I'm not the ahj, he is.

Hack work is being corrected, what's wrong with that?

Youre wrong on most of these........

B W E · 04-13-2012, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Awg-Dawg

Youre wrong on most of these........

I'm not, but it's really not important to me.... Kings vs. Canucks.... Go Kings Go!

mcclary's electrical · 04-13-2012, 11:28 PM

I used the NEC because that's the code article HE supplied. I just wanna add that it doesn't matter who he failed, the GC or the EC, he still is interpreting the article incorrectly. Nobody said anything about hackwork. I'm simply saying misinterpretation.

B W E · 04-13-2012, 11:32 PM

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Originally Posted by mcclary's electrical

I used the NEC because that's the code article HE supplied. I just wanna add that it doesn't matter who he failed, the GC or the EC, he still is interpreting the article incorrectly. Nobody said anything and hackwork. I'm simply saying misinterpretation.

Had the drywall been mudded yet, or just screwed on? I suppose if they hadn't yet been mudded, perhaps he jumped the gun by flagging it. If they had been mudded, then the repair wasn't sufficient, and he made the right call IMO. Perhaps he should have made it a workmanship issue?

mcclary's electrical · 04-13-2012, 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by B W E

Had the drywall been mudded yet, or just screwed on? I suppose if they hadn't yet been mudded, perhaps he jumped the gun by flagging it. If they had been mudded, then the repair wasn't sufficient, and he made the right call IMO. Perhaps he should have made it a workmanship issue?

The wall was one sided. I'm doubt it was taped and mudded yet because they had not hung the other side yet. THey normally hang everything first, then finish everything. I agree I love my holes being cut tight, and hate big holes, but I just think the article allows for a repair. He seems to think it does not. If it DOES NOT allow for a repair, then why do they use the word twice in that code article?

TimChaput69 · 04-13-2012, 11:45 PM

Brad Paisley sings about mud on the tires.....does that count here??.....really guys it Friday and you ain't got no place to, and you ain't got nothing to do......quit it!!

B W E · 04-13-2012, 11:48 PM

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Originally Posted by TimChaput69

Brad Paisley sings about mud on the tires.....does that count here??.....really guys it Friday and you ain't got no place to, and you ain't got nothing to do......quit it!!

I'm planted on my couch with a chew in front of a 50" watching the Kings game. The pause button is perfect for coming back here to argue. Can't shoot at people any more, so what else am I gonna do while my wife is outta town?