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11-29-2007, 11:53 AM
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Thanks
Thanks for pics I have seen worse but not all in the same house.
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11-09-2008, 05:51 PM
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got insurance?
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11-09-2008, 06:07 PM
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52 gone, 53 arrived
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Still trying to understand the USA version of things...but I am getting there slowly  thanks to this site
Question...do you never fit any protective / insulating sleeving to the Earth [ground? / grounding?] wire ??
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11-09-2008, 06:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Trimix-leccy
Question...do you never fit any protective / insulating sleeving to the Earth [ground? / grounding?] wire ??
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Think about it... other than making the ground wire pretty, what useful purpose would sleeving it serve?
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11-09-2008, 06:16 PM
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Bonus Time
Well look at it this way they got a good bonus no material used ! but i didnt see any duck tape used did i miss something ? best to ya wow
Last edited by nick; 11-09-2008 at 06:19 PM.
Reason: thats the old smart house job
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11-09-2008, 06:22 PM
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I wouldn't even touch that house at all.
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11-10-2008, 02:21 AM
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Hmmm, what happened here?
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I don't understand you guys...Why wouldn't you want that job? That is a friggin gold mine. The amount of work required to basically redo everything in a finished building? It doesn't get much better than that. A job like that will test every skill an electrician has with respect to residential code compliance and just good installation practices. If it's bid correctly, that is far more interesting that a panel upgrade or a NC rope job.
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11-10-2008, 03:07 AM
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Yep, Id love that job "to do whatever it takes to bring the electrical system up to code"
Sounds like some people dont like troubleshooting. From the looks of it, it is mostly a complete tear out and new install.
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11-18-2008, 09:46 PM
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i worked in a house like that once. it had an electrical fire in it. i cant believe the home inspector let them buy the house. the panel was a complete rats nest and the HO decided to remove every wire off the breaker for whatever reason. there were so many electrical problems in that house it was crazy every box i had at least 4 - 6 major code violations in it. i had to replace so many burned and melted wires and it was incredibly hard to know where everything really went. he also engineered some weird water system controlled with solenoids and push buttons around the house i dont know what it did at all
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11-19-2008, 01:26 AM
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I can't believe they make us have licenses when people can do work as good as that......apparently they had several people in there that were real pros!
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11-19-2008, 06:38 AM
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The only violation I saw was in the last picture. The receptacle had reverse porlarity.  Gentlemen, there's our competition.
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11-19-2008, 04:13 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MDShunk
Think about it... other than making the ground wire pretty, what useful purpose would sleeving it serve?
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In UK EVERY CPC [earth wire] is sleeved. Not to make it pretty [does look rather fetching in its little green an yellow striped jacket though]
We sleeve it to avoid contact with any other conductors in the back box etc coz it says so in the Wiring Regs. You can have a job knocked back if there is no sleeve. Heinous error, non compliance etc etc etc
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11-19-2008, 06:04 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by bobelectric
The only violation I saw was in the last picture. The receptacle had reverse porlarity.  Gentlemen, there's our competition.
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is that the only violation you see in all those pictures?
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11-19-2008, 08:10 PM
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That looks like a money maker. I see that nonsence all the time, well , not quite that bad. This area is full of " jack of all trades----- master of none".
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11-20-2008, 08:43 PM
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I guess those DIY sites really are helpfull!
I saw a few things there that as described in writeing or with your eyes shut could be interpritaded as correct and safe.
All(most) of the cables had notes on them......
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11-21-2008, 06:54 AM
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It's most difficult to be this to be a good job!!!
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12-18-2008, 04:42 PM
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12-19-2008, 02:43 PM
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An American thing that I have noticed is the use of staples for cable fixing. Every US job I have scanned with my critical eye has had surface cable dressed in this way. I know that plastic cable clips are available over the pond and that using them makes a neater tram line job - so why do folks not use them?
Frank
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12-20-2008, 08:48 AM
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Quote:
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MD
An American thing that I have noticed is the use of staples for cable fixing. Every US job I have scanned with my critical eye has had surface cable dressed in this way. I know that plastic cable clips are available over the pond and that using them makes a neater tram line job - so why do folks not use them?
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12-20-2008, 09:12 AM
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They don't cost that much,about 19 cents each .I use them on all boxes that are bigger then a two gang.Figure on a three gang box you use like say nine staples,thats like 27 cents in staples right there,not to count labor in installing them and making the wire look neat.The stackers would cost you 38 cents if you used 2 but save you a couple a minutes so it evens out.I think it comes down to guys caring what their works looks like,someone who cares will use them,someone who doesn't wont.
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