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11-18-2009, 09:17 PM
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Is this legal? This Old Hack
http://www.thisoldhouse.com/toh/vide...286269,00.html The guy installs a 3 gang plastic box with the nail tabs sawn off using drywall screws through the side of the box. Legal?
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11-18-2009, 09:20 PM
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I can't say that I haven't done that before. 
They could have just used a 3-gang old-work box with the swing out tabs to do it the right way.
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11-18-2009, 09:27 PM
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Electrician
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Location: Michigan
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How you gonna get one of those tabs around the stud if the box isn't deep enough? I'd have been liable to do the exact same thing.
I like how they have a big pop-up on the screen CONNECT BLACK TO BLACK WHITE TO WHITE AND GROUND TO GROUND. Nice touch.
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11-18-2009, 09:27 PM
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You like your plastic boxes over in the US eh? We don't use them much here hehe
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11-18-2009, 09:32 PM
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Unlimited Lic.Electrician
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Conduit Phil
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Whats wrong with screwing screws through the side of the box? I have done it hundreds of times and I think it holds better.
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11-18-2009, 09:32 PM
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Just watched the video, how many cables are allowed in a pancake box? only ONE!
Sloppy work.
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11-18-2009, 09:33 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cdnelectrician
Just watched the video, how many cables are allowed in a pancake box? only ONE!
Sloppy work.
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Yep... only one.
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11-18-2009, 09:33 PM
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Welcome to the forum.
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11-18-2009, 09:42 PM
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Looks OK, other than its in ROMEX!!!
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11-18-2009, 09:45 PM
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Unlimited Lic.Electrician
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sparks134
Looks OK, other than its in ROMEX!!!
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What's wrong with romex? I'm a conduit person myself.
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11-18-2009, 09:48 PM
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where do i start...
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11-18-2009, 09:49 PM
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Unlimited Lic.Electrician
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sparks134
where do i start...
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Go ahead we have all night. 
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11-18-2009, 09:54 PM
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Yes, please enlighten me also. 
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11-18-2009, 09:57 PM
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Unlimited Lic.Electrician
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Kevin J
Yes, please enlighten me also. |
He is from Chicago. And the 11th commandment is Thou shall not use NM-B.
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11-18-2009, 10:46 PM
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the Computer Guy
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Quote:
Originally Posted by william1978
What's wrong with romex? I'm a conduit person myself.
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conduit eh? i really cant see conduit being run in the ceiling, i think romex is much easier than bending pipes, it just doesn't seem practical, unless you were doing it on the outside of the ceiling.... 
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11-19-2009, 01:08 AM
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I betcha he started drilling and hit the rafter smack on and that where the pan boxs came in lol Im sure he was planning to use regular octagons
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11-19-2009, 03:15 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cdnelectrician
Just watched the video, how many cables are allowed in a pancake box? only ONE!
Sloppy work.
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If the canopy is marked it can add to the allowable space. On a side note, who makes joints?
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11-19-2009, 06:33 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by cdnelectrician
Just watched the video, how many cables are allowed in a pancake box? only ONE!
Canopy space??
Sloppy work.
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Two US
One Canadian
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11-19-2009, 06:39 AM
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Senior Member
Join Date: Apr 2008
Location: Maine (Tal Afar, Iraq presently)
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Conduit Phil
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No that is not a code compliant installation;
NEC 2008 -
110.3 Examination, Identification, Installation, and Use of Equipment.
(B) Installation and Use. Listed or labeled equipment shall be installed and used in accordance with any instructions included in the listing or labeling.
314.43 Nonmetallic Boxes.
Provisions for supports or other mounting means for nonmetallic boxes shall be outside of the box, or the box shall be constructed so as to prevent contact between the conductors in the box and the supporting screws.
I have never done it myself, but have seen it done dozens of time. That it has been done over and over does not however make it right!
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11-19-2009, 08:57 AM
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Not Peter D
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sparks134
where do i start...
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No, please don't.
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