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04-21-2012, 10:06 PM
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parallel conductors
do 2 parallel 12's=30A?
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04-21-2012, 10:08 PM
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Probably, at least, but I'm sure you know it's a violation.
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04-21-2012, 10:09 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MDShunk
Probably, at least, but I'm sure you know it's a violation.
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depends
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04-21-2012, 10:10 PM
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Originally Posted by 360max
depends
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Sure, it could be serving two motor loads, but I doubt it.
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04-21-2012, 10:11 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MDShunk
Probably, at least, but I'm sure you know it's a violation.
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yes i know and if i had to guess which one id say 310.10 (h) but thats without looking so i cant be sure.
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04-21-2012, 10:12 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MDShunk
Sure, it could be serving two motor loads, but I doubt it.
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and then it would be fine?
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04-21-2012, 10:13 PM
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Not to mention, this appears to be a 3 phase loadcenter, fed with 4 wires, with the 'neutral bar' bonded, and more than 6 throws.
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04-22-2012, 10:02 AM
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As long as you twist the 12's, it's legal. 
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04-22-2012, 12:54 PM
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I seriously doubt if that breaker is listed for more than one conductor at its terminals.
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04-22-2012, 01:19 PM
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Did you install that panel? Wow what craftsmanship.
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04-22-2012, 02:22 PM
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Good at being Evil
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That panel is a violation using SER bare neutral bond to ground.
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04-22-2012, 02:34 PM
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The Craig's list lectrician can be resourceful. 
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04-22-2012, 02:49 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Techy
Not to mention, this appears to be a 3 phase loadcenter, fed with 4 wires, with the 'neutral bar' bonded, and more than 6 throws.
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It's single phase......The conductor on the right has a white stripe.... 
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04-22-2012, 03:50 PM
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Around here, when the utility was load building and did off peak meters for water heaters, in quite a few cases they ran 14-4 to the water heater. I think they originally had them connected to different elements, but in many cases, when the water heater was replaced, the electrician (or whoever was doing the connections) paralleled the 14s and ran it off of a double pole 30 breaker. Sure, it was a code violation, but the water heater didn't know the difference.
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04-22-2012, 03:54 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Going_Commando
Around here, when the utility was load building and did off peak meters for water heaters, in quite a few cases they ran 14-4 to the water heater. I think they originally had them connected to different elements, but in many cases, when the water heater was replaced, the electrician (or whoever was doing the connections) paralleled the 14s and ran it off of a double pole 30 breaker. Sure, it was a code violation, but the water heater didn't know the difference.
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I did the same exact thing back in 89' for the same exact appliance. It was the end of the day.
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04-22-2012, 05:36 PM
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Quote:
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Did you install that panel? Wow what craftsmanship.
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nope just happened to be the lucky guy to open the panel.
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04-22-2012, 10:45 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Bulldog1
It's single phase......The conductor on the right has a white stripe.... |
Suuure.....
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04-23-2012, 08:18 AM
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Sub
That sure looks like a sub-panel? Is that the nuetral and egc on the isolated neutral bar ??
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