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02-05-2012, 08:48 PM
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Was actually intentional, why? Because I can, but thanks anyways
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02-05-2012, 11:31 PM
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Originally Posted by B4T
Very easily.. I have seen it happen many times..
It really depends how many times the receptacle gets used.. some people pull on the cord and don't hold the box..
Once the box has "movement" inside the drywall it will fail if the strap is upside down..
Only way the strap can fall out if the long side it pointing down instead of up..
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I agree. Even with a tight cut hole, it just seems like common sense to put short side down. With the long side down, if the arm is down to the bottom of the box, the short side up top will barely have any drywall in front of it.
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02-23-2012, 04:49 PM
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Spain is different.
Not unprofessional..... genius at work!!!!! 
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02-23-2012, 06:27 PM
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Originally Posted by niteshift
Name game. word is madison strap
Also known as...
F-strap......
A battleship...hold it sideways...geesh
what else ya got?
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Ice skates
Box cleats/supports
Two men in a boat/canoe
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02-24-2012, 09:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Barjack
Ice skates
Box cleats/supports
Two men in a boat/canoe
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Box supports.
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02-28-2012, 01:30 PM
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Deadliest stupidity
I´m not sure in USA, but here this is not code.
And the owner have 3 kids all under 10 years, simply incredible !!!!! 
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02-29-2012, 09:35 AM
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It's all about making it work, going home, and cracking a beer. Nothing more, nothing less.
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03-05-2012, 08:23 PM
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oh yeah, you like screwing to the stud... try that here...
only approved boxes called "slider boxes" where the screw head recessed is allowed to do that.. oh yeah they are plastic, so forget about using them in commercial..
if you want to screw through th ebox around here, it has to be only through the back, OR the side BUT within a 1/4inch of the back of the.. you try that and let me know how it goes...
yeah I use Fstraps all the time around here, although Ill have to see if my supplier can get those gangable boxes with the wings someone posted a pic of.. NICE! Ive been bitching about fstraps since I started... If fiber/plastic cutin boxes can have wings.. why cant metal ones!
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03-06-2012, 02:51 AM
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Those guys still working for you? I would have given them the boot. I sure as hell wouldn't want my name all over that job. Were these guys young kids or old enough to know better. My experience with younger employees was that they showed no pride in their work. I told a few that if they were just there for a check to go to McDonalds and work. They either get with the game, learn and at least put out an effort to do quality work or they were gone.
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04-18-2012, 10:23 PM
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Originally Posted by bgleason
Those guys still working for you? I would have given them the boot. I sure as hell wouldn't want my name all over that job. Were these guys young kids or old enough to know better. My experience with younger employees was that they showed no pride in their work. I told a few that if they were just there for a check to go to McDonalds and work. They either get with the game, learn and at least put out an effort to do quality work or they were gone.
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Heh, beat me to it.
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04-19-2012, 12:18 AM
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Originally Posted by bgleason
Those guys still working for you? I would have given them the boot. I sure as hell wouldn't want my name all over that job. Were these guys young kids or old enough to know better. My experience with younger employees was that they showed no pride in their work. I told a few that if they were just there for a check to go to McDonalds and work. They either get with the game, learn and at least put out an effort to do quality work or they were gone.
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Goes back to apprenticeship.
If they are not properly taught how - they will not know how.
Unfortunately, in this age of now-now - now- These young kids are not learning about quality and craftsmanship.
Yes, you can have all three - Production- Quality and craftsmanship.
But. Someone must be willing to bite the bullet and take the time to teach them the craft.
That is what is missing.
Production at all cost, is the order of the day. I see it here with some of the same folks calling this example 'Hack'.
They complain of their slow help, then complain of the hack work, after rushing the dude. Yet have done nothing more than guide him/her with basic skills for production.
Hell, half the newbies can't even read prints, Coz NO ONE has taken the time to teach them!
it is called an 'apprenticeship' for a reason.
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04-19-2012, 01:36 AM
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Not unprofessional..... genius at work!!!!!
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Those would look better in the panel... 
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04-19-2012, 02:37 AM
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These are the best, IMO. Wouldn't use anything else, 'crept theyre pricy.
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04-19-2012, 02:36 PM
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Wire Monster
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Was onley a temporary panel. It work´s over 15 years !!!!!!
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04-21-2012, 08:13 AM
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I would NOT use those Madison straps..... Period...... There are many good "old work" boxes out there that are IMO better & safer.
The straps to me are a thing of the past. I have seen too many times where the Receptacle had moved thru use & the "hot" screw on it shorted to the madison strap that didn't fit tight to the box.
Back in the 70's when we had nothing else you had to use them, but alot of electricians including myself would run tape around the receptacle covering the connection screws to prevent it from the screw coming in contact with the strap............
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06-17-2012, 10:08 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by farlsincharge
It doesn't take long to run two sheet metal screws in with an impact. Studs are typically 16" apart so 9 times out of 10 it is possible to fasten to one and still be in the right location.
If speed is all we are going for I can run an extension cord to the location from another outlet and be drinking coffee before you are done cutting the hole. I would consider that less hack than supporting a box with drywall.
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So in a steel stud wall how do you make sure that you are cutting on the flat side of the stud or the open side when the wall is sheet rocked to the ceiling on both sides? You could check another outlet box but carpenters don't always install those in the same orientation.
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06-17-2012, 11:25 AM
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Pulling the ship clips tight, bending them over and crimping them tight with needlenose pliers works fine. I like those Bowers boxes though. If the hole is a little large, stick some of those caterpillars from ideal in there to keep the box from moving. Use some low voltage rings instead of boxes for the telco and network. Easier.
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