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480sparky · 01-12-2009, 06:31 PM

Installed a range circuit & recep today. Opened the panel and found some goodies

480sparky · 01-12-2009, 06:31 PM

SmithBuilt · 01-12-2009, 06:51 PM

Ah, the new quick grounding method. Similar to a very loose push in.

I see you have a variety of breakers, might as well have a variety of wire colors to go along with in.

Just out of curiosity is that screw that is holding the main in a factory installation? Is it legal?

480sparky · 01-12-2009, 07:06 PM

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Ah, the new quick grounding method. Similar to a very loose push in.

I see you have a variety of breakers, might as well have a variety of wire colors to go along with in.

Just out of curiosity is that screw that is holding the main in a factory installation? Is it legal?

Of all the branch-circuit breakers in that panel, the only Bryant is the one I installed for the range.

Yes, the screw in the main is factory, and it's not only legal, but required.

gilbequick · 01-12-2009, 07:54 PM

Gotta love those hots that are colored GREEN! That's an accident waiting to happen to somebody working on wherever that wire goes.

bobelectric · 01-12-2009, 08:12 PM

You did what you contracted to do. Did you suggest you would make things right?(for an extra)

480sparky · 01-12-2009, 08:19 PM

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You did what you contracted to do. Did you suggest you would make things right?(for an extra)

Well, I did fix the hack grounds. I also fixed another violation (One that hasn't been mentioned yet, so I'm not gonna say what it is). As for the green wire used as a hot, and the other stuff, I commented on it, and got the old "We can't afford it right now since we're spending $10,000 on our kitchen."

At least they're aware of the problems and have my card. It may become more work sometime in the future.

crazyboy · 01-12-2009, 08:36 PM

The locknut on top looks a little loose and it appears they took out too big of a knockout. Whats with the insulation extending so far into the panel. Lack of properly labeled breakers, and I'm going to ASSume that you took the door off the cover?

480sparky · 01-12-2009, 09:03 PM

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The locknut on top looks a little loose and it appears they took out too big of a knockout.

Yea, I tightened it up before I closed the panel back up. Not too big of a KO, just got sloppy when they pushed it out.

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Whats with the insulation extending so far into the panel.

No violation there.

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Lack of properly labeled breakers,

At least on the inside. On the front of the door was an 8½x11 printout of every breaker labeled.

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and I'm going to ASSume that you took the door off the cover?

Well, yea, kinda have to in order to work inside the panel.

76nemo · 01-12-2009, 09:21 PM

What else are you referring to Ken, the doubled up neutral lands? That concentrical knock out looks just fine from my house

That's one h*ell of an EGC land method, is that a new kind of conductive powder coat??? I knew I was lacking something, that's just grand

480sparky · 01-12-2009, 09:25 PM

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What else are you referring to Ken, the doubled up neutral lands? That concentrical knock out looks just fine from my house

.....

Well, that's one violation. There's still more.....

76nemo · 01-12-2009, 10:07 PM

What is the brown colored rubber insulated conductor landed on the grounded bar????

crazyboy · 01-12-2009, 10:19 PM

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What is the brown colored rubber insulated conductor landed on the grounded bar????

I think their bare, think its just the lighting that is making them look insulated. Hopefully 480 can clarify!

480sparky · 01-12-2009, 10:36 PM

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I think their bare, think its just the lighting that is making them look insulated. Hopefully 480 can clarify!

They're the #4 bare GECs.

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Gotta love those hots that are colored GREEN! That's an accident waiting to happen to somebody working on wherever that wire goes.

That's not green. It's a new color regocnized by the NEC for ungrounded conductors...... Iwitt.

Acronym for It's What's In The Truck.

Kevin J · 01-12-2009, 10:48 PM

Is this a sub-panel? Sorta looks like it with a back-fed main.

480sparky · 01-12-2009, 10:51 PM

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Is this a sub-panel? Sorta looks like it with a back-fed main.

No. that's the 100a main panel. That's just the way Bryant used to do them. It's held in place properly.

knowshorts · 01-13-2009, 09:33 AM

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I also fixed another violation (One that hasn't been mentioned yet, so I'm not gonna say what it is).

The receptacle on the left hand side of the panel is upside down.

480sparky · 01-13-2009, 09:51 AM

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The receptacle on the left hand side of the panel is upside down.

This one?

I flipped it over before I wrapped up just for you.

knowshorts · 01-13-2009, 10:40 AM

Oops, I made a mistake. Receptacle is actually on the right hand side. I have the Receptacle Flipper 1.07 plug in for Firefox that automatically shows pictures of receptacles the proper way and the way it shows on my screen is like above with a nice red hue. I always forget to right click and see picture as original.

Seriously, what about 110.16? Was this a resi?

I gotta go. Time to flood Craigslist with electrical ads for $20 an hour for electricle service with all my competitors phone numbers.

rexowner · 01-14-2009, 02:51 AM

Where did they get the third screw from the bottom
in the last picture? Looks like the manufacturer
screw fell out, and they improvised.