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Old 05-07-2016, 05:40 PM   #41
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Old 05-08-2016, 09:08 PM   #42
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Why is there only 5 neutrals landed for 9 breakers? And where are the grounds?

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My guess is it is a homeowner replacement for a much older panel, a lot of our older residential panels have the neutral bar up at the top which would explain that really short neutral

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And where are the grounds?
It's called EMT.


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It's called EMT.
Does anybody actually use EMT for their ground? Genuinely asking. Not being a smart ass.
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Does anybody actually use EMT for their ground? Genuinely asking. Not being a smart ass.
I generally do since I've actually researched it and found it's a far superior ground than a copper conductor.
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I generally do since I've actually researched it and found it's a far superior ground than a copper conductor.
You just have to make sure all of your connectors and couplings are approved for grounding.
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You just have to make sure all of your connectors and couplings are approved for grounding.

Very few aren't.
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only problem is making sure everyone tightens everything. including both ends of a ground wire run through a conduit!
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I was in the middle of this argument a while back....you will be considered an idiot and money waster and anti-code if you pull a separate EGC (at least by some), even if your AHJ requires it.
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Almost all of the specifications on our commercial/industrial projects have ground wires in the conduit.
I have noticed lately a number of loose set screws and lock nuts, on both new and old work. Obviously sloppy workmanship
This could be why the engineers are adding the grounds.
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Almost all of the specifications on our commercial/industrial projects have ground wires in the conduit.
I have noticed lately a number of loose set screws and lock nuts, on both new and old work. Obviously sloppy workmanship
This could be why the engineers are adding the grounds.
Using a green copper conductor is no guarantee either. One can be just as sloppy installing it.
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I generally do since I've actually researched it and found it's a far superior ground than a copper conductor.
Is there actually researchable scientific data concerning this? Did they take data from the field concerning EGC failures, pitting EMT versus an actual conductor? Did electricians in the field actually submit this data?
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Is there actually researchable scientific data concerning this? Did they take data from the field concerning EGC failures, pitting EMT versus an actual conductor? Did electricians in the field actually submit this data?
Soare's Book on Grounding and Bonding.
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