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Old 03-16-2017, 10:53 PM   #1
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Unhappy Torque speicfications needed for lockrings on PVC T/A?

I have an AHJ that is insisting I provide him with the manufacturers recommended torque specifications for the lock ring on a male PVC terminal adapter, or he will not allow it to be used. His position is that the lock ring can not be torqued to the manufactures specifications if those specifications are not known, and thus it is not possible to verify proper installation, so improper installation must be assumed.

Anyone run into this one before? I've got a query into Carlon, but no response yet. Their probably still scratching there heads asking WTF. Maybe I need to ask Thomas and Betts directly, as the lock ring is not marked Carlon.
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Old 03-16-2017, 10:55 PM   #2
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FYI he is using 2014 NEC 300.12 as his justification.
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Old 03-16-2017, 11:04 PM   #3
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Does this dufus have a boss? I don't have a codebook handy, but, connectors (fittings?) only need to be tight or wrench tight. Lastly, only electrical connections are required to be torqued. There is no grounding/bonding issue.

googled this...
The NEC requires raceways, cable assemblies, boxes, cabinets, and fittings to be securely fastened in place [300.11(A)] and provides a few specifics.

FWIW google Mike Holt on this.
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He's messing with you.

Of course, you screwed up.

Donuts and coffee would've cleared this matter up... from the first.
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I'm probably going to find out who is boss is, He also wants me to install electrical outlets behind permanently installed cabinets because it "will be needed if the cabinets are removed in a remodel."

... What the hell?!! I didn't bid for wiring every possible future variation of use for the space! I was hired to wire it for the presently planned use.
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The torque specs for a locknut are TAS... Hit the hell out of it and stop one strike before it snaps....
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The NEC requires raceways, cable assemblies, boxes, cabinets, and fittings to be securely fastened in place [300.11(A)] and provides a few specifics.
This section seems to be for Racewasy ect. in suspended ceilings. But the application in question is a 2.5" PVC T/A on the end of a pronto-bend stuck into the bottom of a meter box. Any tighter and it will strip! I don't get his problem.
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Tell him you are going to use a JBA and don't worry about it ever again!


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I use these everywhere I can. They are especially useful on larger conduits. They eliminate both the locknut and the bushing from an installation inventory.
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The Carlon catalog shows 1/2" to 1" PVC locknuts. I would have to assume from that the expiration is that you would be using a steel one above that size.
Page 221 calls out termination methods but is silent on torque beyond the word "secure".

We should then Look to the Merriam-Webster dictionary:
a : to relieve from exposure to danger : act to make safe against adverse contingencies.

I would announce, in my best Buzz Lightyear voice, " I have relieved the termination from exposure to danger and adverse contingencies per manufactures specifications"

I would repeat that every time he said anything about it.

http://www.carlonsales.com/techinfo/...og_low_res.pdf

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Him if he is asking for money, the company will send him a 1099 like they did the last guy
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There's a homemade tool for this. Here's how you make it: Cut off a piece of 3/4" or 1" pipe, doesn't mater what type, 18" to 24" long. Gripping the pipe firmly, beat the inspector until he pisses blood. The end.
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Is this that new Philadelphia electrical inspector? I have heard he is a real pain in the pudge.
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Being a pr1ck, I'll have to say this:
.....and you guys like to go on about the ridiculous requirements up here....

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Being a pr1ck, I'll have to say this:
.....and you guys like to go on about the ridiculous requirements up here....

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This isn't about ridiculous requirements, but, a ridiculous inspector.
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I use these everywhere I can. They are especially useful on larger conduits. They eliminate both the locknut and the bushing from an installation inventory.
I might just switch to these. I've used them on occasion in a tight spot where I could not get my hand on both sides to tighten a lock ring or something, but never considered using them more often.
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There's a homemade tool for this. Here's how you make it: Cut off a piece of 3/4" or 1" pipe, doesn't mater what type, 18" to 24" long. Gripping the pipe firmly, beat the inspector until he pisses blood. The end.
My apprentice from Florida said: "Back home we have gators for just this sort of thing."
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There's a homemade tool for this. Here's how you make it: Cut off a piece of 3/4" or 1" pipe, doesn't mater what type, 18" to 24" long. Gripping the pipe firmly, beat the inspector until he pisses blood. The end.
I didn't know you were a NJ-NY guy!

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Being a pr1ck, I'll have to say this:
.....and you guys like to go on about the ridiculous requirements up here....

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Naw, this is an inspector looking to get a bribe not that there is an actual NEC code requiring this.

You guys are still over regulated up there.
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I didn't know you were a NJ-NY guy!

The old adjustment tool!
No, just a ol' Georgia boy. We use the same tools, just a different accent.
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