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Old 11-12-2016, 12:31 PM   #41
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Like a 16" x 24" square? That's pretty big to carry around isn't it?
No personally have an 8 x 12, fits in my Klein bag nicely. But there's a big 16 x24 in the gang box if needed.
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No personally have an 8 x 12, fits in my Klein bag nicely. But there's a big 16 x24 in the gang box if needed.
Ahh, okay. Just seemed really big for just marking out for boxes.
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I guess it's not a framing square but a carpenters square
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I spent a couple years as a carpenters apprentice, before i became an Electrician apprentice. Three things i noticed early on, Electricians suck at lay out, swinging hammers and paying attention to prints outside of the E sheets. as a first year apprentice, i was better at all of the above than even most foreman. I dont know how you guys get by with out a speed square.
things a speed square does: Measure off of a 90, check a 90. layout a can/gutter without even pulling out a tape. Accurately measure over obstacles. angle finder, quickly find out what degree grandpa bent that offset to. measure and mark multiple pipes at once.
Granted all of the above can be done with out the square, but not as fast and accurate. Speed square is more useful than a combo square, for our purposes.
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I spent a couple years as a carpenters apprentice, before i became an Electrician apprentice. Three things i noticed early on, Electricians suck at lay out, swinging hammers and paying attention to prints outside of the E sheets. as a first year apprentice, i was better at all of the above than even most foreman. I dont know how you guys get by with out a speed square.
things a speed square does: Measure off of a 90, check a 90. layout a can/gutter without even pulling out a tape. Accurately measure over obstacles. angle finder, quickly find out what degree grandpa bent that offset to. measure and mark multiple pipes at once.
Granted all of the above can be done with out the square, but not as fast and accurate. Speed square is more useful than a combo square, for our purposes.
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Hey, nothing wrong with a little bend in my pipe, I call it natural.
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I spent a couple years as a carpenters apprentice, before i became an Electrician apprentice. Three things i noticed early on, Electricians suck at lay out, swinging hammers and paying attention to prints outside of the E sheets. as a first year apprentice, i was better at all of the above than even most foreman. I dont know how you guys get by with out a speed square.
things a speed square does: Measure off of a 90, check a 90. layout a can/gutter without even pulling out a tape. Accurately measure over obstacles. angle finder, quickly find out what degree grandpa bent that offset to. measure and mark multiple pipes at once.
Granted all of the above can be done with out the square, but not as fast and accurate. Speed square is more useful than a combo square, for our purposes.
I disagree with your square comment, if you only carry one there are things that will be harder with one than the other.
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(@ Zac) No way! the competition is alot softer here!
(@ Deplorable) I also own both. whats something that a combo does that a speed square doesn't? maybe ill make a space for it as well.
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(@ Zac) No way! the competition is alot softer here!
(@ Deplorable) I also own both. whats something that a combo does that a speed square doesn't? maybe ill make a space for it as well.
Commercial? Good you got out of framing.

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(@ Zac) No way! the competition is alot softer here!
(@ Deplorable) I also own both. whats something that a combo does that a speed square doesn't? maybe ill make a space for it as well.
Specific depth measurements on a trough or panel that's mounted. Fits in places the speed square won't.
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They both rock until you use them and the building aint square . Think earthquake repair . I carry a speed square at all times .

Speed square works well with that 1950 greenlee bender with the marks worn off .
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Specific depth measurements on a trough or panel that's mounted. Fits in places the speed square won't.
A nice thing about the combination square, you can make very accurate measurements and layouts without even reading it, you lock it in with the screw and you can transfer the measurement fast and accurate.

In general if you can find ways to lay out etc. without reading off measurements your work will be faster and more accurate. Sounds backwards, but it's true. (Eyeballing is OK for the very good and the very bad.)
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A nice thing about the combination square, you can make very accurate measurements and layouts without even reading it, you lock it in with the screw and you can transfer the measurement fast and accurate.

In general if you can find ways to lay out etc. without reading off measurements your work will be faster and more accurate. Sounds backwards, but it's true. (Eyeballing is OK for the very good and the very bad.)
Exactly!

That was what I was going for in saying 'specific' like if you wanted a string of KOs 1 3/8" back from the front of your mounted boxes, set it and mark away.

The one I use most is only a 6" size.
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We use a combo square mostly for trough layout and we cut and punch a lot of copper bus, which requires perfect layout.
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I am working on a job in my shop I will probably use both a speed square and a combination squares and maybe a framing square.
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