captkirk

I am going after another EC's apprentice. This kid is way undervalued with him and i want to make him an offer.....Is this bad ethics..?

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B4T

Yes it is.. same as hitting on someone's wife before she is separated or divorced..

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brian john

Not in my opinion, if you offer him a better deal, such is life. Unless the EC is a friend or associate.

But the answer to your question this issue aside YES!

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stuiec

How is it that you know him? How do you know he is under valued?

user4818

Not at all. The apprentice doesn't belong to the contractor anymore than a customer belongs to a contractor.

brian john

I make them a good offer, if they smile I know they are under valued. I have hired maybe 1/2-2/3''s maybe higher this way.

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B W E

That's how pro sports works, so why is it unethical here? I wouldn't do it if the other EC was a friend, but business is business.

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DIRT27

I went on a job walk a few months back. There was one other electrical contractor and we were both walking with the same general contractor. One of the super's for the general was talking about me to the other contractor.

After the job walk he came up to me and gave me his card and asked me if I was happy where I was working. I told him I was happy where I was (not completely true), but I didn't want to lead him on. He gave me a card and told me if I was ever interested in going to work for him to give him a call.

I kept his card and figured I could call him and see what he has to offer when I decide to leave where I am at.

I don't blame the guy for trying, it is a free market. I thought it would be unprofessional of me to talk to him too much since I was representing the company I work for on a job walk. Plus we do a lot of work with that general and I would hate for it to get back to my boss that I was talking to another contractor about working for them on his time.

If he would have got my number and called me on off hours I would have talked to him and see what he had to offer.

stuiec

Stands to reason that the best men are already employed. Is it ever a problem with the ECs? (I assume your contact with these men is through your customers?)

CADPoint

& they say you never know the other side, well I bet you will...

All the schools are getting ready to bust loose, why not pick up a kid with the correct schooling or training?

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HARRY304E

I don't think he wants to bang him he just wants a good helper for his business and unless the helper has a contract with his current EC then he is a free agent.

I hope he does not want to bang him....

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B4T

If the other EC is a stranger.. different story.. if he knows the guy.. it just isn't right.. IMO...

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HARRY304E

I agree I would not like it either, But if the first EC is paying less ,,Then he will lose guys to the competition as he should.

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captkirk

I went to school with the kids mechanic (journey man). We talk once in a while so i know what he is getting paid. They lay him off when ever it gets slow. He can do Lots of stuff...pretty good with all aspects of the trade. I'm actually amazed he's not in his own van already. Its a small company so there isn't really anywhere else for him to go..i would love to get him bit i haven't had a chance to get him alone yet. Both times i saw him at the supply house his boss was there...

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captkirk

I'm doing that too. I'm gonna have a high school kid as a helper. I still need another good guy...

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B4T

Next time put this info at the beginning of the story instead of the end.. this is a whole different set of circumstances.. than your OP..

There is nothing wrong with talking to the kid and telling him if he gets laid off to come see you..

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LBC Jesse

There is nothing wrong with talking to the kid and telling him if he gets laid off to come see you.. [/quote]

QFT.. I won't "steal" another man's help.. but I will tell him "If you ever find yourself with out a job, or about to be, here's my card.. call me"

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erics37

Why not? You need the guy more than the other EC does.

I have no qualms with hitting on a dude's wife

Big John

And I'm sure he has not qualms about hitting you.

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JDJ

Don't see this as wrong. If he's undervalued and you are giving him a chance to improve his life then his current EC has the option of recognizing his worth and making adjustments accordingly, or they let him slip out of their fingers. Loyalty is an earned thing when it comes to work. Just my two bits.