wildleg

I've been following this thread closely, but I still haven't determined whether or not any of the issues discussed, or whether any forum discussion topics can really come close to answering the burning question: Is Capt Kirk a D.ick ?

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CADPoint

My response was based on you'll get bit was that I assume your rural or semi-rural! Maybe I've missed the mark...

Rural and semi rural will not work to your favor, the good old boy aspects will kick in. People talk and gossip can get even worse. Studies have shown that bad news travels faster than good news.

I agree with a lot of the points made by various responders. Everyone has to remember that life or running a business is like playing cards; not everyone is dealt the same hand. One has to play or fold what works for them.

Sure float the job offer (as said), but what your missing as they say on “Mad Money”, you don't have an exit strategy. Or in other words you don't have a back-up plan.

Just my observation from life lessons learned.

A d*ck, I don’t know. A trekkie for sure…

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captkirk

After trying out a few guys, im starting to see that if your not working now, there must be a reason..

My friend works for a ****head ec.... He is wayyyyyy underpaid for what he can do and has to work like an animal sometimes... All he does is complain to me about it. I feel really bad for him but for some reason he stays there. Probably because he has a mortgage now and he's afraid of change... I wanted to hire him a long time ago but he just lives to far away and it would become a problem.

I think there are a lot of guys like this that just need the right opportunity to move on and better their situations....

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Rockyd

The emotion attached isn't necessary - we live in a capitalist ociety - Make the offer, it's up to him if he wants to switch.

I Spent 4 years in the Nave as an electrician's mate, couple of years open shop and a did 3rd and 4th year union apprentieship, to get my J card.. I'm worth a nickel, I owe nothing of allegiance to my current employee for learning what I know. There a large multi-national conglomerate that builds power houses around the world.

As a foreman, and professional, I do the best I can for them everyday, and will continue to do so.....but if I can get a better job offer tomorrow - I'm out of there. Better job offer? I'm currently working 5/10's and some spotty OT. Something that would excite me is a job with a local contractor, working in town, 40 hours a week - prefer not to work OT, but will to make sure things stay on track. Job offers in Alaska can be sent to my mail box here. Need to be a union shop, all serious offers will be given proper consideration.

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brian john

But it does not have to happen, if the issue is money. With two older employees I had money would not make a difference, both were sick of the driving and traffic. Both found jobs close to home at a facility with no travel. I could not compete with that. I shook their hands said enjoy and made an offer to a guy I had been trying to woo for several years, he got a 2.00 raise plus better retirement (he was open shop at a 3 man operation).

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leland

Capt'n, I don't think you should approach this guy. Bad business.
Use a 'bag man', get the word out.

Then when he approaches you.....

Awg-Dawg

It doesn't look like his present employer is going out of his way to help him.

It seems like you would be doing him a favor by hiring him.

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Celtic

Awesome.

When do I start?

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Celtic

While that is true.....

...when you cannot keep someone employed at a fair wage.....all bets are off.

Employees are also in it for the profit.

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RIVETER

No, it is not. If the other EC does not value the worker enough, then, you have the right to make an offer.

leland

I go back to ethics- Integrity-

I think it is wrong for you to approach him. If word gets out that you are interested- that's one thing.

We (the company I work for) do fire alarm,sprinklers,suppression and fire pumps.

We have (in the past) been subbed out by fire alarm companies to provide services that they don't do. Sprinkler work, or a suppression system on site, Fire pump test, etc.
Then, the ownership (my employer) has stepped in and tried to steal the whole account.

Guess what. Business has slowed down. That just aint right. Sorry.

We have cut our customers down. These contractors,that we used to have a relationship with, are no longer using us. big surprise!!

Back to ethics and integrity.

As Speedy said- (Integrity) 'Something that is sorely missing' in society today.

B4T

So being greedy came back and bit him in the ass..

I hope he learned his lesson and I would not trust the guy at all to keep me employed..

First good job that came along and I am gone.. he sounds like a real sleaze bag..

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MDShunk

I have several observations, based on my own experiences:

• There are no qualified unemployed people
• The best qualified people are already working for someone else, and thus must be pirated if you want them to work for you instead.
• Brian John never offered me a job, so I'm not as good as I think I am.
• When I have put out test ads for hiring folks, I often get resumes from electricians who are one-man shops. Explore this option with care, because once a man has worked for himself, he can often be unfit to ring someone else's time clock.

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BBQ

You find it ethical and moral to keep an advancement from an employee?

To me that is just the opposite.

leland

Not at all. Advancement for all, that is good and healthy.

I just feel that for a principal of a company to actively pursue another's employee is unethical.

Even in business there are some basic rules. Let a surrogate make the contact.

BBQ, You have been around for a bit, You know the industry, community, You know a lot of people.

You may be South of me, I'm North of you, Chances are we know a few of the same people.

My point: For a large Industry, It is a small community.

My advice and opinion is to protect your own reputation and integrity.

BBQ

Great, so screw the employees chance for advancement because that is what you are saying.

CADPoint

• There are no qualified unemployed people

That is such a stupid statement, I'll just leave it it that.

• The best qualified people are already working for someone else, and thus must be pirated if you want them to work for you instead.

Really...

• Brian John never offered me a job, so I'm not as good as I think I am.

I've seen pictures of your work, You posted some at the other site, Say what you like...

• When I have put out test ads for hiring folks, I often get resumes from electricians who are one-man shops. Explore this option with care, because once a man has worked for himself, he can often be unfit to ring someone else's time clock.

Test ads... adding to the craiglist black hole!

Really, wait that's why Brian didn't make an offer you've been poisoned...

Have another one...

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MDShunk

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• There are no qualified unemployed people

That is such a stupid statement, I'll just leave it it that. Which is why I qualified my statements with the fact that these are my observations. Qualified unemployed folk have to be out there somewhere. I never managed to find one.

• The best qualified people are already working for someone else, and thus must be pirated if you want them to work for you instead.

Really... Yeah, I really feel that way.

• Brian John never offered me a job, so I'm not as good as I think I am.

I've seen pictures of your work, You posted some at the other site, Say what you like... Thanks.

• When I have put out test ads for hiring folks, I often get resumes from electricians who are one-man shops. Explore this option with care, because once a man has worked for himself, he can often be unfit to ring someone else's time clock.

Test ads... adding to the craiglist black hole! A fantastic way to test market.

Really, wait that's why Brian didn't make an offer you've been poisoned... Plus, I'm sort of an ass

Have another one... Haven't had a drop in over a year. No real desire, but thanks.

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leland

So where did you get that from!?

The Employee is free to move and advance.

My Advice was for the Employer not to get the reputation of a employee stealer.

To save a reputation, in the case he may need a local contractor for support.
If one has a reputation of running around stealing help then suddenly needs support,

Thats my only point, Keep the peace, Play the game.

Similar to your last little food thingy show-
You stated you hired out the crew that did all the generator stuff.

So Now, you liked the dude that was there doing all the generator stuff, offered him a job, So you would not have to hire out all the gen. stuff.he took it.
Now, next weeks lil' food thinga-ma-jig comes up. Big genny job.

Need the genny co. to come and bail you out.

They either are way too busy, or way too expensive. Coz ya stole there guy.

Kinda see what I mean?

Jlarson

I woulda made the guy an offer and hired him already.

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