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05-03-2012, 09:04 PM
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also how would you go about pricing an addition or even a whole house? just trying to get a good feel for the program before i jump in head first.
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05-03-2012, 09:19 PM
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#82
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Location: California
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Originally Posted by VachonElectric
also how would you go about pricing an addition or even a whole house? just trying to get a good feel for the program before i jump in head first.
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From what I've read in previous posts on ET, James is working on residential "new construction" pricing. I'm very curious to know if that is coming out in the next update or soon.
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05-03-2012, 09:44 PM
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#83
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Master One
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: NY/NJ
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Not all estimating sofeware have a contract, some you can buy outright and get free updates. I just want the large data base to estimate how I want to. I do like the look and feel of the app I just want to munipulate it the way I need to. I only do residential work. That is why I was so interested in it.
Right now I use a combination of books and one program.
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Originally Posted by 19kilosparky984
All the estimating software has a contract. You pay a monthly fee because it is constantly updated . What you are asking probably wouldn't fit on an iPad
I think a lot of you don't understand it's for resi service work, and when you use it for what it is meant to be used for its the cats ass.
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05-03-2012, 11:07 PM
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#84
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Registered Member
Join Date: Sep 2011
Location: NJ
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Originally Posted by vinroc
Not all estimating sofeware have a contract, some you can buy outright and get free updates. I just want the large data base to estimate how I want to. I do like the look and feel of the app I just want to munipulate it the way I need to. I only do residential work. That is why I was so interested in it.
Right now I use a combination of books and one program.
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Ok for starters learn how to type.
So name some that do not have contracts.
Let's here it.
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05-03-2012, 11:35 PM
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Location: Frederick MD
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Originally Posted by 19kilosparky984
Ok for starters learn how to type.
So name some that do not have contracts.
Let's here it.
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Turbobid...?
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05-03-2012, 11:59 PM
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Location: Honolulu
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Originally Posted by 19kilosparky984
Ok for starters learn how to type.
So name some that do not have contracts.
Let's here it.
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OK, Celtics residential remodel spreadsheet, based upon the Romex Racer sheet, was a contract free , no charge, hell of a good job.. I still use it a lot.
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05-04-2012, 12:19 AM
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#87
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Master One
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: NY/NJ
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Craftsman 2012 electrical estimating (book and CD)
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05-04-2012, 12:20 AM
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Master One
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: NY/NJ
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I just upgraded my trail version of ES2 to full paid version. So I'm in it for two years. I am making a list of bugs i see and ways to make it beeetteerr.
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05-04-2012, 06:17 AM
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Originally Posted by kennydmeek
Turbobid...?
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Turbobid isn't flat rate.
Turbobid is something like 175 four times a year for updates
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05-04-2012, 06:19 AM
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Originally Posted by vinroc
Craftsman 2012 electrical estimating (book and CD)
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That isn't flat rate
And you get what you pay for .
I can not believe anyone actually uses that to bid
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05-04-2012, 08:57 AM
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Master One
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Location: NY/NJ
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Originally Posted by 19kilosparky984
That isn't flat rate
And you get what you pay for .
I can not believe anyone actually uses that to bid
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They dont have to be flat rate. You can make your own flat rate prices. Thats why I want a large data base. I dont need someone to make combinations for me, I can do it myself.
If you dont have your own database I hope ES2 never goes down.
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05-04-2012, 09:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Chris1971
I'm close to committing but, don't like being tied into a contract either.
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James is a really stand up guy. I don't think he would hold you to the contract if you were not happy. I have emailed and spoken with him numerous times and he really wants his customers to be happy. Reach out to him. The program has great potential and the more of us that support it, the more incentive he has to keep improving it and responding to our needs.
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05-04-2012, 09:16 AM
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Originally Posted by yrman
James is a really stand up guy. I don't think he would hold you to the contract if you were not happy. I have emailed and spoken with him numerous times and he really wants his customers to be happy. Reach out to him. The program has great potential and the more of us that support it, the more incentive he has to keep improving it and responding to our needs.
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There is no way to beat that type of customer service... 
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05-04-2012, 03:40 PM
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Location: NJ
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Originally Posted by vinroc
They dont have to be flat rate. You can make your own flat rate prices. Thats why I want a large data base. I dont need someone to make combinations for me, I can do it myself.
If you dont have your own database I hope ES2 never goes down.
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So your using a new construction program to make your own flat rate prices for service work?????????????????????
Your that guy that comes in,low balls everyone and goes belly up real quick.
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05-04-2012, 05:55 PM
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Master One
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Originally Posted by 19kilosparky984
So your using a new construction program to make your own flat rate prices for service work?????????????????????
Your that guy that comes in,low balls everyone and goes belly up real quick.
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No, Im the guy that spends time making data sheets with time costs, and local price rates, to build his database.
A box cost the same whether its new construction or service work.
Im also the guy who sees that you seem to be more focused on pinching me then relaying information. DIRECT YOUR PISS IN ANOTHER DIRECTION SIR.
GOOD DAY.
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05-04-2012, 08:15 PM
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Location: Maryland
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Originally Posted by vinroc
No, Im the guy that spends time making data sheets with time costs, and local price rates, to build his database.
A box cost the same whether its new construction or service work.
Im also the guy who sees that you seem to be more focused on pinching me then relaying information. DIRECT YOUR PISS IN ANOTHER DIRECTION SIR.
GOOD DAY.
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Kilo isn't talking about prices of materials. He's talking about labor, new construction is based on a more efficient labor hour. Service is a lot more less efficient so if you are pricing for example "adding a circuit" based on a new construction labor hour, then you are going to be much cheaper, hence "low balling."
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05-04-2012, 08:21 PM
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Master One
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: NY/NJ
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I understand. I use the hours as reference and adjust accordingly. While using any estimating software or books you will in time develop your own system.
He sure carries a lot of piss. Goddamn I like the think electricians are at the top of the skill trades. But sometimes I just don't know.
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05-04-2012, 09:01 PM
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Join Date: Jan 2008
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Originally Posted by vinroc
No, Im the guy that spends time making data sheets with time costs, and local price rates, to build his database.
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There are a lot of different methods that can be successful. Some companies work with price books with hundreds of pages and some with one page. I used to work from one page, then I worked from eight pages, and now I work from 40 spreadsheets on my iPad.
More importantly, I continually check completed projects for profit. Lately I've been adding completed projects to the spreadsheets. It is fast and accurate.
James is a good man and he sells a good database. There's no need to attack anyone using another system.
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05-04-2012, 09:36 PM
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Senior Member
Join Date: May 2011
Location: Northern Virginia
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Tiger how do you do spread sheets on you iPad? Can you make changes to them on it also or just import finished sheets.
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05-05-2012, 12:02 AM
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#100
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Master One
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: NY/NJ
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Originally Posted by Tiger
There are a lot of different methods that can be successful. Some companies work with price books with hundreds of pages and some with one page. I used to work from one page, then I worked from eight pages, and now I work from 40 spreadsheets on my iPad.
More importantly, I continually check completed projects for profit. Lately I've been adding completed projects to the spreadsheets. It is fast and accurate.
James is a good man and he sells a good database. There's no need to attack anyone using another system.
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I was not attacking anyone but was being attacked.
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