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Old 07-15-2013, 10:17 PM   #1
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I keep hearing about a skilled labor shortage. On the other hand the unemployment rate for construction workers is 14%. Is there really a skilled labor shortage, or a cheap labor shortage.

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IMO, a skilled shortage, at least around here. After looking for at least the last 6 months, I can't seem to find "skilled" workers. Plenty of people who you wouldn't want to hire that call themselves "lectricians" are looking for work, but not a lot of skilled guys around here.

I have already started to see the wages rising as well.

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IMO, a skilled shortage, at least around here. After looking for at least the last 6 months, I can't seem to find "skilled" workers. Plenty of people who you wouldn't want to hire that call themselves "lectricians" are looking for work, but not a lot of skilled guys around here.

I have already started to see the wages rising as well.
Specifically what types of skills are you looking for?
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I am a service company first, but we do commercial construction now as well.

If I want a resi service guy, I expect him to be able to troubleshoot with speed and efficiency. I expect him to be able to then, with provided training, provide a quote for repairs, and lastly to perform those repairs.

In construction, I expect any Jman to be able to look at a set of plans, and determine what they mean. I expect that when they get a lighting control panel that provides a set of instructions, because they are all a little different, that he can determine how to install it and make it work. I would expect them to know how to do any type of lighting controls that are required by Title 24, as it has been around for a while. I would expect them to be able to install conduit with speed and efficiency.....and I want it to look good.

I guess I want and expect to much, but the problem is, those guys are out there, they are employed with other quality contractors, and they don't want to leave. So when a new contractor comes up, he has to wade through a lot of garbage to get the quality.

I'm over the three sentence rule, but of course there is a lot more!
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I am a service company first, but we do commercial construction now as well.

If I want a resi service guy, I expect him to be able to troubleshoot with speed and efficiency. I expect him to be able to then, with provided training, provide a quote for repairs, and lastly to perform those repairs.

In construction, I expect any Jman to be able to look at a set of plans, and determine what they mean. I expect that when they get a lighting control panel that provides a set of instructions, because they are all a little different, that he can determine how to install it and make it work. I would expect them to know how to do any type of lighting controls that are required by Title 24, as it has been around for a while. I would expect them to be able to install conduit with speed and efficiency.....and I want it to look good.

I guess I want and expect to much, but the problem is, those guys are out there, they are employed with other quality contractors, and they don't want to leave. So when a new contractor comes up, he has to wade through a lot of garbage to get the quality.

I'm over the three sentence rule, but of course there is a lot more!
i think you may be expecting a little too much. not much, but a little too much. my one sore point here is troubleshooting with speed and accuracy. do you want speed, or accuracy? they dont usually come together
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i think you may be expecting a little too much. not much, but a little too much. my one sore point here is troubleshooting with speed and accuracy. do you want speed, or accuracy? they dont usually come together
Sometimes I think I want to much, but then I remember all of the guys I have worked with. There have been some really good people over the years, and I realize I am not wanting to much. I am wanting what everyone would expect out of an electrician when they hire them.

Certain things can be taught, but most people don't even seem to know the basics. A common answer to "How does a GFCI work, or What does a GFCI do?" is "If someone plugs something in that draws too much power, then it trips the GFCI". People just seem to be learning as little as possible....just enough to get them by.
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I keep hearing about a skilled labor shortage. On the other hand the unemployment rate for construction workers is 14%. Is there really a skilled labor shortage, or a cheap labor shortage.

Minimum wage skilled labor shortage,and they're about to flood the country by making illegals legal..
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For the business owners that are expecting quality lectricians, customer may expect business owners to know:
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Sometimes I think I want to much, but then I remember all of the guys I have worked with. There have been some really good people over the years, and I realize I am not wanting to much. I am wanting what everyone would expect out of an electrician when they hire them.

Certain things can be taught, but most people don't even seem to know the basics. A common answer to "How does a GFCI work, or What does a GFCI do?" is "If someone plugs something in that draws too much power, then it trips the GFCI". People just seem to be learning as little as possible....just enough to get them by.
What's it take to become a licensed j-man there.?
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Forgive me for my grammatical errors.

It is only fun to throw stones when there are glass houses around, it just happens that sometimes that glass house is yours.
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Forgive me for my grammatical errors.

It is only fun to throw stones when there are glass houses around, it just happens that sometimes that glass house is yours.
I think we should only use the word two..
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Forgive me for my grammatical errors.

It is only fun to throw stones when there are glass houses around, it just happens that sometimes that glass house is yours.
I've swept up my share of glass.
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What's it take to become a licensed j-man there.?
Fill out this form; http://www.dir.ca.gov/dlse/ECU/Elect...cationForm.pdf
and then take the state test.

I doubt that they really qualify everyone taking the test. I know a Resi. Jman that came from out of state. He filled out the paperwork for a General Jman (So he can basically work on all aspects of electrical work). He did not know how to bend conduit, can't wire a lighting contactor, etc......

The state does not have a difficult test, and I doubt they really try to enforce anything associated with licensing. As long as they get the test, retest, and other associated fees, they are cool.
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hardworkingstiff.....my frustration seems to be more with a lack of will, desire, or what have you to better your knowledge and position in the trades.

I would take a less qualified individual that was eager and willing to put in the time to learn, but that I am also having a hard time finding. People just seem to want to play on their phones.

Anyone watch "Deadliest Catch"?

How many of the greenhorns come on the show with that sense of entitlement?
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Fill out this form; http://www.dir.ca.gov/dlse/ECU/Elect...cationForm.pdf
and then take the state test.

I doubt that they really qualify everyone taking the test. I know a Resi. Jman that came from out of state. He filled out the paperwork for a General Jman (So he can basically work on all aspects of electrical work). He did not know how to bend conduit, can't wire a lighting contactor, etc......

The state does not have a difficult test, and I doubt they really try to enforce anything associated with licensing. As long as they get the test, retest, and other associated fees, they are cool.
There is your problem right there,low standards means you will have a large pool of poorly trained Journeymen .

How can you guy expect skilled electricians to be available if they can just take the test and sat they're journeymen.
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Yes, an unqualified person can make their way through an open book code test eventually.

But I will add, they did start requiring the submittal of your SSA report that is suppose to verify your 8000 hours of experience based on your income reported by the employer. But I honestly don't know how close they scrutinize that document.
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Yes, an unqualified person can make their way through an open book code test eventually.

But I will add, they did start requiring the submittal of your SSA report that is suppose to verify your 8000 hours of experience based on your income reported by the employer. But I honestly don't know how close they scrutinize that document.
Here the master has to sign for each hour an apprentice works and can be held liable if the fudge the time.
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hardworkingstiff.....my frustration seems to be more with a lack of will, desire, or what have you to better your knowledge and position in the trades.

I would take a less qualified individual that was eager and willing to put in the time to learn, but that I am also having a hard time finding. People just seem to want to play on their phones.

Anyone watch "Deadliest Catch"?

How many of the greenhorns come on the show with that sense of entitlement?
I understand and agree. I'm sorry I lost my cool, , I actually agree with your basic premise.

At the pump and tank company I used to work at, the installation guys had a joke about the service guys, we would say the service guys would break out their laptop and say "which F button do I use to change that nozzle?". They just didn't want to get their hands dirty.

I think work ethics have fallen over the years (in general, not everyone), the general education level has fallen, and like you said, all people want to do now is use their phones to go to social sites or play games.

That is one of the reasons I kept getting smaller and smaller until I became a one man show.

Now, I'm just a has been show.
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I keep hearing about a skilled labor shortage. On the other hand the unemployment rate for construction workers is 14%. Is there really a skilled labor shortage, or a cheap labor shortage.

It's more a critical thinking shortage....


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I know around these parts you can not find skilled workers. there are no JW's to be had.

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