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Old 02-11-2017, 09:32 AM   #21
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Vt sm cl cap is 5K, Mass might have raised it to 7K , to be under the 'cap' is an easier pursuit because it's engineered towards self representation.

It's EASY to obtain a judgement , w/ most sm claims siding for the unpaid contractor

what occurs after said judgement is won is, and entirely different story

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u can fill a small claims complaint at the court house for $40.00
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Old 02-11-2017, 09:39 AM   #22
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i dont have a wife and kids i have all the time in the world the way i have been treated is what is driving me crazy and on the outside i never argued or yelled at the customer ive remained calm at all times in person and phone the once in a blue moon he answers the phone.
Regardless your time is worth money.

Doesn't seem you have ever told him I need to get paid before I can come back.

If it's a small area let the other ECs know he doesn't pay and owes you money.
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u can fill a small claims complaint at the court house for $40.00
Yes you can, it's been my experience that many deadbeats will pay up being served papers alone.

That said, should you pursue and win a judgement, know that it's not enforced, BUT, here's what you can do with it.

Do some research on your customer, sometimes the registry of deeds is a good start, sometimes other on line sources can lead you to what other properties s/he owns.

Get a 'certified copy of judgement' from the Court Clerk, place them against every single piece of property your perp owns, it's $10 or so apiece.

If these are rentals , place a complaint of non compliance against each one. Know that anyone can do this, up front OR anonymous , but do it on the state's official form(s)

Keep hammering away, and give him a big 'ol ear/ear grin @ the foreclosure

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Like others said, what you posted lacks professionalism, details, and has some questionable statements.

When people speak / write of cash discounts it's a flag for possible tax evasion and unlicensed contractors.

Did you try going there to collect? Phone calls? Do they claim a reason or have a complaint. Some will pay just to get you off their doorstep.

After that I would send notice of intent to lien, wait, then lien in the required time.

Just looking up your state they have a sample contract that meets the state contracting requirements:

http://www.mass.gov/courts/case-lega...ent.html#Forms

Reading this:
http://www.mass.gov/courts/docs/lawl...r/201cmr18.pdf
Seems you may be in trouble. Because you didn't follow the contracting laws not only can the customer get away without paying, your subject to criminal prosecution and other court action. Contracts that fail to comply with 201 CMR 18.00 and 142A shall be invalid for noncompliance.

There is about 2 pages of contract requirements for anything $1000+. Contractor lic #, fed ID#, payment terms, detailed description of work, consumer rights, signatures of ALL parties, copy to the owner, etc.

How could you pass the MA EC business law and not know of the required contracts or lien laws?

Makes me wonder if you're a licensed, insured, and bonded contractor.
No electrical listing found under the name posted in the MA public safety page.
That's a $2,000 fine and up to 1 year if you had no EC lic on top of the no legitimate contract issue, no lic #'s on everything, no customer copy of contract.

Would say the customer understood the state requirements and correctly figured they need not pay a non compliant and or unlicensed contractor. If you try to harass them for the money, they could file a complaint and your done.
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Like others said, what you posted lacks professionalism, details, and has some questionable statements.

When people speak / write of cash discounts it's a flag for possible tax evasion and unlicensed contractors.

Did you try going there to collect? Phone calls? Do they claim a reason or have a complaint. Some will pay just to get you off their doorstep.

After that I would send notice of intent to lien, wait, then lien in the required time.

Just looking up your state they have a sample contract that meets the state contracting requirements:

http://www.mass.gov/courts/case-lega...ent.html#Forms

Reading this:
http://www.mass.gov/courts/docs/lawl...r/201cmr18.pdf
Seems you may be in trouble. Because you didn't follow the contracting laws not only can the customer get away without paying, your subject to criminal prosecution and other court action. Contracts that fail to comply with 201 CMR 18.00 and 142A shall be invalid for noncompliance.

There is about 2 pages of contract requirements for anything $1000+. Contractor lic #, fed ID#, payment terms, detailed description of work, consumer rights, signatures of ALL parties, copy to the owner, etc.

How could you pass the MA EC business law and not know of the required contracts or lien laws?

Makes me wonder if you're a licensed, insured, and bonded contractor.
No electrical listing found under the name posted in the MA public safety page.
That's a $2,000 fine and up to 1 year if you had no EC lic on top of the no legitimate contract issue, no lic #'s on everything, no customer copy of contract.

Would say the customer understood the state requirements and correctly figured they need not pay a non compliant and or unlicensed contractor. If you try to harass them for the money, they could file a complaint and your done.
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Like others said, what you posted lacks professionalism, details, and has some questionable statements.

When people speak / write of cash discounts it's a flag for possible tax evasion and unlicensed contractors.

Did you try going there to collect? Phone calls? Do they claim a reason or have a complaint. Some will pay just to get you off their doorstep.

After that I would send notice of intent to lien, wait, then lien in the required time.

Just looking up your state they have a sample contract that meets the state contracting requirements:

http://www.mass.gov/courts/case-lega...ent.html#Forms

Reading this:
http://www.mass.gov/courts/docs/lawl...r/201cmr18.pdf
Seems you may be in trouble. Because you didn't follow the contracting laws not only can the customer get away without paying, your subject to criminal prosecution and other court action. Contracts that fail to comply with 201 CMR 18.00 and 142A shall be invalid for noncompliance.

There is about 2 pages of contract requirements for anything $1000+. Contractor lic #, fed ID#, payment terms, detailed description of work, consumer rights, signatures of ALL parties, copy to the owner, etc.

How could you pass the MA EC business law and not know of the required contracts or lien laws?

Makes me wonder if you're a licensed, insured, and bonded contractor.
No electrical listing found under the name posted in the MA public safety page.
That's a $2,000 fine and up to 1 year if you had no EC lic on top of the no legitimate contract issue, no lic #'s on everything, no customer copy of contract.

Would say the customer understood the state requirements and correctly figured they need not pay a non compliant and or unlicensed contractor. If you try to harass them for the money, they could file a complaint and your done.
YOur a real **** bag saying all this **** yes i am licensed a permit was pulled national grid was there and re did my connections after it was cleared by wiring inspector and have insurance it was under a 1,000 in the first place so until you know the details of the contract or anything which no one does dont start this bull **** with me asshole


PS U GOT IT ????
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YOur a real **** bag saying all this **** yes i am licensed a permit was pulled national grid was there and re did my connections after it was cleared by wiring inspector and have insurance it was under a 1,000 in the first place so until you know the details of the contract or anything which no one does dont start this bull **** with me asshole


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and by the way i did pass the test on the first try with all my leaning/ mental disabiltys yeah i cant spell good i cant do alot things good but fixing anything from cars to houses i can. my therphys they dont even want me working but i want to contribe to socity. i want to work unlike a lot of people
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My dear lad, i'm sure you'r a decent spark but i would encourage you to hold your tounge a tad ....... there be dragons here ....

A spark does not a biz man make you see.....

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Turn it over to the slimmyest collector you can find
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isnt this a site to tell our exp and questions i thought we were all on the same team y are the asshole acting like that i do have a PDF a electronic copy too have you herd of joist it's a great app for quotes and invoices with has a section for on contract check it out it's totally free on app store joist invoice both partys agree to terms and conditons. i not going to put it completely public the contract i just showed the conditions of the contract so i dont understand y im being treated like im not electrician. Does everyone need to see my license and insurance.This has nothing to do with money he treating me like im the asshole and walking all over me. all i was asking was what way i should go about it i think chicken your right start at the reg. of deeds. Yes i can spell good im not good at the business part that why i only do a few jobs a year the rest of my work is 1099 thur a sub contract.

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Experts? Far better to coin it experience ,that thing you get after you really need it...... and your probably in front of 1000 biz years of it Greg.

The good,bad & ugly.....myself i've even been screwed by fly-by-night collection agencies , as well as have been served restraining order ,for no more than showing up at a deadbeats door w/an invoice.

It's a jungle out there, especially for us sm biz men who lack 'teeth'

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That was really un called for saying all the **** i thought we all on the same team yes i suck at the business part thats why 99% of my work is thru a sub contractor with a 1099 and also saying i dont pay taxes because of the cash it really is no differents because my tax rate is 12% i got my license when i was 24 years old ive never even failed a inspection in my town before and every few in other towns. I have learning disabiltys so people take advantage of me this new contract is rock soild. sorry i got mad but i was upset of what u were accusing me of nothing you have no clue whats the going on. money means nothing to me as long as i can pay my bills i have no assets or a large savings account.
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isnt this a site to tell our exp and questions i thought we were all on the same team y are the asshole acting like that i do have a PDF a electronic copy too have you herd of joist it's a great app for quotes and invoices with has a section for on contract check it out it's totally free on app store joist invoice both partys agree to terms and conditons. i not going to put it completely public the contract i just showed the conditions of the contract so i dont understand y im being treated like im not electrician. Does everyone need to see my license and insurance.This has nothing to do with money he treating me like im the asshole and walking all over me. all i was asking was what way i should go about it i think chicken your right start at the reg. of deeds. Yes i can spell good im not good at the business part that why i only do a few jobs a year the rest of my work is 1099 thur a sub contract.
"Lighten up Francis".

Judging from all your posts in this thread its apparent to me that your main concern is that you've been, allegedly, "treated like an asshole". If your looking for insight, ideas, suggestions and commentary regarding better practices, you'll need to have a much thicker skin to hang out here. If your looking for sympathy/empathy because someone's allegedly treating you like an asshole, you've come to the wrong place.

The trades, both the business side and field side are not for the weak of heart. Put your big boy pants on and take the criticism, as well as the helpful suggestions like a man. Having a hissy fit on this forum is a waste of everyone's time. Believe me, I tried it.

You haven't been here long enough to know this, but everyone here means well and wants to help. We don't always agree, we have different perspectives, opinions and different levels of experience. We can be pretty hard on one another, but we're a community of people who share a common bond and at the end of the day, inspite of our differences, prefer each other's company.

Now, be a good lad and apologize to active1 for calling him a d-bag.

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Experts? Far better to coin it experience ,that thing you get after you really need it...... and your probably in front of 1000 biz years of it Greg.

The good,bad & ugly.....myself i've even been screwed by fly-by-night collection agencies , as well as have been served restraining order ,for no more than showing up at a deadbeats door w/an invoice.

It's a jungle out there, especially for us sm biz men who lack 'teeth'

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With a customer like this, just run him over with a truck, 2 years max but your ego will be stroked!
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That was really un called for saying all the **** i thought we all on the same team yes i suck at the business part thats why 99% of my work is thru a sub contractor with a 1099 and also saying i dont pay taxes because of the cash it really is no differents because my tax rate is 12% i got my license when i was 24 years old ive never even failed a inspection in my town before and every few in other towns. I have learning disabiltys so people take advantage of me this new contract is rock soild. sorry i got mad but i was upset of what u were accusing me of nothing you have no clue whats the going on. money means nothing to me as long as i can pay my bills i have no assets or a large savings account.
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I realize that the post I quoted is a bit harsh, and I for one are not questioning your credentials or abilities as an electrician, but it does contain some useful information that could be of great help to you if you're going to continue to do work on your own.
It's hard out there, but it's even harder if you're not informed.

It sucks to get burned, believe me I've lived through it, and for a lot more than $1,000.00 (Try like 100 times that), but once I learned how things work in Massachusetts, I never got burned again.
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