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01-19-2012, 09:28 PM
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Sole proprietor who sometimes needs help.
What if you are a sole proprietor who sometimes needs the help of another qualified electrician? Do I need workmans comp? Can they be paid as a sub if they do not have a license? Can a C-10 sub out to another C-10? I like to keep things legal but if I only need a hand maybe 6 hours in a weeks then I don't need a full time employee.
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01-19-2012, 09:35 PM
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I only deal with other one man shops like myself.. just a better way to fly.. 
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01-19-2012, 10:00 PM
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I only deal with other one man shops like myself.. just a better way to fly.. |
Bingo!
Buddy up with other 1-man bands. Contract labor.... no bennies.... no taxes.... no payroll..... and no strings attached. You scratch their backs, they scratch yours.
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01-19-2012, 11:00 PM
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This I do know. You can only sub-contract another electrician IF they have a license themselves. Otherwise they need to be an employee with all the overhead.
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01-19-2012, 11:37 PM
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CASH. Never there.
Or have the GC sub them.
Good question. I am not supposed to hire another lic guy,my lic won't allow it. So some times he GC will'sub' out my help.
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01-19-2012, 11:38 PM
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Look for a temp agency that specializes in Construction Labor.
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01-19-2012, 11:44 PM
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Originally Posted by leland
CASH. Never there.
Or have the GC sub them.
Good question. I am not supposed to hire another lic guy,my lic won't allow it. So some times he GC will'sub' out my help. |
#1 buddy up with other Masters you hire them as if you are their customer.
#2 Get your Master license and eliminate that problem.. 
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01-19-2012, 11:45 PM
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I only deal with other one man shops like myself.. just a better way to fly.. |
The best way to Roll..
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01-20-2012, 01:01 AM
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CA law is very specific. Here are some options:
Partner up with another one man EC with him acting as your sub.
Partner up with another shop and "borrow" his employee with that company acting as your sub.
Partner up with another B or C contractor. I have hired a painting contractor friend to give me a hand as my sub.
Hire someone from a temp agency. That employee will not necessarily have to be state certified since they are an "employee" of the agency and not you.
Get an account set up with ADP and you can hire anyone you want and they offer pay as you go WC and take care of all the payroll taxes and filings.
A note regarding state certification. It is not ALL employees of a C-10 that need to be certified, just the employees that actually "terminate" conductors.
Do not pay cash or pay under the table. It is not worth it. It can not only cost you your business, it can cost you your personal assets.
As far as 1099s go, if they are listed on the CSLB site, then they can be 1099ed, if not, then NO!
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01-20-2012, 06:45 AM
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One of my ex workers is a one man shop and when he needs help he calls me. If I can help we will -- He is a great friend so he gets a great deal on it. I had to say that since he may be reading this. 
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01-20-2012, 09:09 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Kite&KeyElectric
This I do know. You can only sub-contract another electrician IF they have a license themselves. Otherwise they need to be an employee with all the overhead.
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That's probably true in a market that requires a license. However, more importantly you must consider what the IRS views as a subcontractor.
Be very careful before you give a sub a 1099 form.
Suggested reading:
http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-regs/subc...sfaq&a.prn.pdf
Click on the numbers 1 through 13 for additional information.
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