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brian john · 12-10-2011, 10:04 PM

Small farms since the beginning of time have relied on all family members to work.

My friend started driving a tractor at 6 as her older siblings and parents load bales on the hay wagon. She operated all equipment with her parents and other farm help to keep the farm (dairy) viable.

But DOL wants to change this.

http://www.equinechronicle.com/commu...-industry.html

Mr Rewire · 12-10-2011, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by brian john

Small farms since the beginning of time have relied on all family members to work.

My friend started driving a tractor at 6 as her older siblings and parents load bales on the hay wagon. She operated all equipment with her parents and other farm help to keep the farm (dairy) viable.

But DOL wants to change this.

http://www.equinechronicle.com/commu...-industry.html

Children would still be exempt on their parents farms .

RGH · 12-10-2011, 10:13 PM

Everything they touch, look at or into they Fxxk up. My phone bill use to be $12 now it is $78 thanks for deregulating that too. Another fine example of our tax dollars being wasted on something that does not need fixing.

Big John · 12-10-2011, 10:13 PM

In fairness, Brian, do a lot of these places actually have young kids as employees?

The way I read it, it wouldn't apply to kids working with the family, only as hired hands.

-John

Mr Rewire · 12-10-2011, 10:21 PM

Of course no child has ever been killed while working on a farm.

mdfriday · 12-10-2011, 10:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr Rewire

Of course no child has ever been killed while working on a farm.

I am sure no child has been killed on thier way to school either. What about at school?

RGH · 12-10-2011, 10:42 PM

I ,as well as you I suspect would never want to see a child harmed. It is a hard way off life for many of them and without the support of all family members many would be broke. Who would want a job without any days off?? Thankfully some one does I like to eat

one of my best friens grew up on a dairy farm jezz the stories are unreal...4:30 am everday wtf!!

HARRY304E · 12-10-2011, 11:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Big John

In fairness, Brian, do a lot of these places actually have young kids as employees?

The way I read it, it wouldn't apply to kids working with the family, only as hired hands.

-John

How do you get a kid to work ?

You pay him ,take that way and they will not get kids to work on farms and grow up to become farmers..

The average age of farmers is 60 ten years from now the ones that are still alive will be 70.

And the gov wants to prevent kids from becoming interested in farming..

Hmmm

And people complain that food cost to much, Just think in 20 years half of today's farmers will have died of old age.

Yup i don't see an agenda in to DOL actions do you!?

macmikeman · 12-10-2011, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by RGH

Everything they touch, look at or into they Fxxk up. My phone bill use to be $12 now it is $78 thanks for deregulating that too. Another fine example of our tax dollars being wasted on something that does not need fixing.

Its called inflation, the deregulation has nothing to do with it. How small was your power bill back before the phone companies de-regulated. Mine was always around 75 then, its usually over 300 now.

RGH · 12-11-2011, 12:16 AM

ah yes and if only my pay had gone up 500% during that same period the world would be fine...Inflation sure I will give a point...deregulation has been a boon to the customer at first..and now a bust. During that same period my health care has gone up to over $1100 a month aswell.

RGH · 12-11-2011, 12:40 AM

Hey...maybe we could let millions of people sneak thru our boaders and they could do all those jobs no ones wants to do....for $8 hr...oh wait a minute..Harry call D.C. I think we gotta problem

thers is an agenda!!

macmikeman · 12-11-2011, 12:40 AM

You also know of course that the cell phone that is at your side all the time would never have happened without deregulation of the phone company. I just wish they would have busted up the Fed and the major 5 world banks as well as they did the phone companies.

RGH · 12-11-2011, 12:51 AM

Mac you keep talking like that and the men in black are going to pay you avisit

Have you ever read "The Star Chamber" ?

RGH · 12-11-2011, 01:04 AM

I don't see your connection of military defense technology used in cell phones now but widely used in the early 80's is the direct result of deregulating the phone companeys land based phone systems? Yes the use of SMD's was common in defense technology's 15 years before cell usage as was the GPS system.

knowshorts · 12-11-2011, 09:32 AM

If I were to hire a 20 year old kid, and the choices were a kid who worked on a farm all his life or a kid from the suburbs, who do you think would be a better worker?

BBQ · 12-11-2011, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by brian john

Small farms since the beginning of time have relied on all family members to work.

My friend started driving a tractor at 6 as her older siblings and parents load bales on the hay wagon. She operated all equipment with her parents and other farm help to keep the farm (dairy) viable.

But DOL wants to change this.

http://www.equinechronicle.com/commu...-industry.html

There are a huge amount of injuries and deaths on farms.

BBQ · 12-11-2011, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by knowshorts

If I were to hire a 20 year old kid, and the choices were a kid who worked on a farm all his life or a kid from the suburbs, who do you think would be a better worker?

The farmer for sure, no doubt in my mind at all. Farmers bust their butt.

But I am not sure that justifies letting other children get wreaked on farm equipment.

brian john · 12-11-2011, 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by BBQ

There are a huge amount of injuries and deaths on farms.

So in lieu of working, they sit in their rooms playing Wii, get fat over weight and die an early death from a heart attack.

Yes farm work can be dangerous, life is dangerous, we have a few members here that started their electrical career at a young age. Also dangerous, but I’d bet the member is no worse off for it.

I have one friend mentioned and quite a few customers that grew up on farms, and to my knowledge all talk about their experience as positive.

Parents

Let their kids ride BMX,and motocross at a young age
Let their kids play sports
Highest rate of sports injury is cheerleading yet this is legal.
Every year high school football players are injured and or die.
Let their kids drive cars yet children below the age of 18 die driving every year.
Buy trampolines a dangerous endeavor (IMO).
Have swimming pools in their back yard, yet every year you read about a young child drowning.

And this is a short list of things some parents let their kids do.

BAN THEM, TAKE AWAY PARENTAL RIGHTS TO CHOOSE

Mr Rewire · 12-11-2011, 09:58 AM

any parent that would put a six year old on a tractor should have thier parental rights removed.

brian john · 12-11-2011, 09:59 AM

While this is a bit off topic, a strange case.

Should the mother lose her child???

http://www.news-medical.net/news/201...s-custody.aspx