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05-04-2012, 12:21 PM
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19 year old marine gets drunk at a party with another marine and a couple of girls. One girl eventually pulls out a marijuana pipe from her purse, and takes a hit. She offers the young man, now incredibly drunk, the pipe, and he too takes a hit.
Long story short, he is caught, admits to taking a hit, and gets discharged, OTH.
Fast forward 15 years. He is at a large public event, and in recognition of US Service members, the MC says "would all service members, past and present, stand to be recognized and thanked for your service".
Should the former Marine stand, in spite of his mistake which caused his service to be cut short, or remain seated?
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05-04-2012, 12:31 PM
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Did "he" really serve or did this happen right after basic training or something along those lines?
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05-04-2012, 12:32 PM
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Good question. There must be an official military policy on this, no?
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05-04-2012, 12:35 PM
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What type of discharge?
Dishonorable?
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05-04-2012, 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by mdfriday
What type of discharge?
Dishonorable?
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Other than honorable, on a scale of 1-5, 1 being best, it's a 3.
He had a near perfect PR score, expert rifleman, high Pro/Cons. This happened around thanksgiving, and he graduated from boot camp in May.
1. Honorable
2. General, under honorable conditions
3. Other than honorable
4. Bad conduct discharge
5. Dishonorable
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05-04-2012, 12:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Zog
Did "he" really serve or did this happen right after basic training or something along those lines?
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He was in the fleet for about 6 months.
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05-04-2012, 12:51 PM
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Members of the military are being recognized, not 'members of the military who managed to keep their noses perfectly clean'.
He stands.
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05-04-2012, 01:16 PM
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YES.. he should stand to honor those who have died or are permanently disabled..
That is not asking very much.. not matter what his personal agenda is..
You always support the troops doing the fighting.. not the morons pulling the strings..
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05-04-2012, 01:24 PM
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I think it is BS that he got discharged for taking a hit. If they did that during Vietnam days there would be no one left in the military-- what a crock.
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05-04-2012, 01:25 PM
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YES.. he should stand to honor those who have died or are permanently disabled..
That is not asking very much.. not matter what his personal agenda is..
You always support the troops doing the fighting.. not the morons pulling the strings..
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He is not standing in recognition of others, he is standing so that HE can be recognized for his service, which was cut short due to a stupid mistake.
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05-04-2012, 01:26 PM
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He was in the fleet for about 6 months.
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Then stand.
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05-04-2012, 01:56 PM
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He stands
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05-04-2012, 02:00 PM
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He has spent the last 13 years petitioning the Department of Defense, Secretary of the Navy, senators and congressman for a chance to re-enlist. He offered to re-enlist in any branch, in whatever MOS has the most pressing need.
The last response he got, from the Secretary of the Navy was that "the passing of time does not erase past transgressions."
The piss test he took could not have turned up positive, and the only evidence against him was his honesty.
Life sentence. For one hit.
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05-04-2012, 02:06 PM
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He has spent the last 13 years petitioning the Department of Defense, Secretary of the Navy, senators and congressman for a chance to re-enlist.
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Yeah, like they never smoked a little weed.
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05-04-2012, 02:37 PM
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Silly, stupid, marijuana/drug laws. This is only the tip of the iceberg.
Sickening to say the least.
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05-04-2012, 02:51 PM
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His battalion Sgt. Maj. at the time had already racked up 6 DUI's. Alcohol isn't a "zero-tolerance" substance, so he was able to continue to serve. Found out that a couple years later, after his 9th DUI he got "forced retirement".... With an honorable discharge.
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05-04-2012, 02:53 PM
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He has spent the last 13 years petitioning the Department of Defense, Secretary of the Navy, senators and congressman for a chance to re-enlist. He offered to re-enlist in any branch, in whatever MOS has the most pressing need.
The last response he got, from the Secretary of the Navy was that "the passing of time does not erase past transgressions."
The piss test he took could not have turned up positive, and the only evidence against him was his honesty.
Life sentence. For one hit.
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I would have asked the Secretary about the past discriminatory practices of their "Don't Ask Don't Tell Policy." Ask if a dishonorable discharge for a lesbian member could be rescinded, and that former member be allowed reentry into the armed services?
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05-04-2012, 02:56 PM
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Should the former Marine stand, in spite of his mistake which caused his service to be cut short, or remain seated?
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I think he should stand up, raise his right hand, and yell out " I am a long haired freaky dope smoker, SIR !"
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05-04-2012, 03:04 PM
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I think he should stand up, raise his right hand, and yell out " I am a long haired freaky dope smoker, SIR !"
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I have a shaved head and haven't touched the stuff since. That would be funny though.
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05-04-2012, 03:14 PM
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The war on drugs is an unmitigated disaster. We have prisons filled with people who's only crime is smoking a substance that has similar effects to alcohol. You can't OD on marijuana and many studies have shown that it is not as addictive as alcohol. Also many studies have shown that the health effects of smoking marijuana are not as severe as smoking tobacco.
Legalize and regulate it similar to the use of alcohol.
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