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05-05-2012, 10:37 AM
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Arizona style!
Doing a service today. This reminded me of how they do it in Az. What do u think?
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05-05-2012, 10:39 AM
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That's way better than Arizona style. At least they used a connector. If you check the listings on a metal romex connector, they are usually suitable for multiple cables. At least the Arlington ones are.
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05-05-2012, 10:41 AM
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I have seen it many times.. there have been threads on here before about what a 2" romex connector is rated for..
Some say it is hack.. some don't see a problem with it.. just another topic that has no ending..  
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05-05-2012, 10:47 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Peter D
That's way better than Arizona style. At least they used a connector. If you check the listings on a metal romex connector, they are usually suitable for multiple cables. At least the Arlington ones are.
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I just checked Arlingon's website and didn't see any connector that can do more than 2 cables.
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05-05-2012, 10:52 AM
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The NM844 is listed for use with 10 - 12/2.
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05-05-2012, 10:58 AM
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The 844 isn't a metal romex connector.
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05-05-2012, 11:00 AM
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Originally Posted by k_buz
The 844 isn't a metal romex connector.
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I know. I can't find any listings on the metal connectors larger than 1" on Arlington's site, which is weird since they still need to be listed for something.
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05-05-2012, 11:24 AM
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When I saw " Arizone style" my first thought was an image of a completely destroyed busbar that had 1 double pole breaker landed on the only remaining non-damaged bus with every wire in the box landed on it 
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05-05-2012, 12:12 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by heel600
I just checked Arlingon's website and didn't see any connector that can do more than 2 cables.
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Check out the 842,843, and 844
http://www.aifittings.com/catalog/pd...ble_ranges.pdf
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05-07-2012, 02:42 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Magnettica
Doing a service today. This reminded me of how they do it in Az. What do u think?
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In AZ we would have used a smooth plastic snap in bushing to avoid chafing issues. Metal NM connectors are
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05-07-2012, 02:46 PM
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In AZ we would have used a smooth plastic snap in bushing to avoid chafing issues. Metal NM connectors are |
I was originally going to categorize this thread as the "220/221" way of doing things.
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05-07-2012, 02:48 PM
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The 1" connectors allow for (3) 8/2's in one connector. Seems a bit hackish to me but I'd probably do it if I had to!
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05-07-2012, 03:00 PM
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In AZ we would have used a smooth plastic snap in bushing to avoid chafing issues. Metal NM connectors are |
Code compliant and the right way to do it. If you can't properly install a metal NM connector without pinching and damaging the cables, then you're an amateur. 
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05-07-2012, 03:04 PM
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There is nothing "hackish" about running multiple cables into a 2" romex connector, other then its basically a listing violation hence a code violation. Inspectors went on a typical rampage against the practice back around the mid eighty's when it showed up as a listing violation and info about that got into the electrical contractor magazines. Before that it was pretty common practice just about everywhere except major cities such as New York and Chicago. The arguments against the practice are pretty weak if you want my personal opinion, however it is a red flag in my area so I haven't done it in years. For panel changes, it is probably a better practice to run multiples (more than two) if the existing one you pulled out was the same way, than to have to stretch cables out to meet listings for two cables per opening...
This is the realm of overzealous city inspectors, and definitely the realm of "home inspectors"..
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05-07-2012, 03:06 PM
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Originally Posted by macmikeman
There is nothing "hackish" about running multiple cables into a 2" romex connector, other then its basically a listing violation hence a code violation.
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I'm of the opinion that it's not a code violation. There was no listing at all on Arlington's site for a 2" romex connector. I swear there used to be one for all their larger connectors that permitted multiple cables, but I can't find one now.
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05-07-2012, 03:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Peter D
I'm of the opinion that it's not a code violation. There was no listing at all on Arlington's site for a 2" romex connector. I swear there used to be one for all their larger connectors that permitted multiple cables, but I can't find one now.
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Your right Cleter, there was a listing on their stuff for multiple runs, I put out a fire on one of the forum sites by showing it once or twice. They probably just stopped paying the payola to UL to upkeep it....
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