MDShunk

I might guess that their lack of the winter season like most of us have make the outdoors an attractive place to put the panel. No sense taking up real estate indoors.

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BuzzKill

Just seems a little absurd to do so, what with possible vandilism and having to walk outside to check a thrown breaker...

MDShunk

Apparently neither of those issues are problem for them. I can count on one hand the number of times I've ever tripped a breaker at my house anyhow. I've never heard of ne'er do wells roaming neighborhoods turning off breakers either, but I suppose anything is possible.

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BuzzKill

yeah I guess so...just seems to go against the very principle of things though.

220/221

Yeah, it's a regional thing.

It is an easier, one piece installation and doesn't take up indoor real estate. You can put a lock on it if vandalism is a concern.

Here's an underground fed service that was chocked full of twins.









I had to (well I was asked by the POCO lineman) replace this riser hot bacause it was too much effort to located the JB and disconnect it. I did it but instructed my partner to sue the living hell out of them if I died



I think I ended up with 4 spaces left in this panel. I can't believe they stuffed all those circuits into such a small panel on the original installation.

InPhase277

Really it's because the electricians in Arizona are smarter than the rest of us. They have guaranteed themselves work in the future. You see, when the inside of that panel reaches 125° for days on end, eventually something's gonna give. Then, on top of that, after the varmints make their homes in the thing, there will be a justification for a panel change. Yep, they're just securing their job...

BuzzKill

so what's that box above the panel in the first pic? Lighting control or something?

BuzzKill

I guess you used a few rolls of tape on those feeders during the hot change-out!

220/221

Load controler.

We have "peak demand" hours here and if you keep you KWH under X amount during those peak daytime hours you get a discounted electricity rate.

It reads the draw and systematically shuts off selected circuits if it goes over the X amount.

220/221

No. I felt fairly comfortable with the rubber ends installed by the lineman.

I doubt I'd do it again. The internet has made me afraid

Here's another side job.




Don't know what happened to the finished pic. I think that by the end of the day I am too beat down to take pics.

InPhase277

And afraid you should be. I swear that linemen and telephone company linemen have to be the laziest people in the world that still have jobs.

BuzzKill

Great! so the lineman sez, here use these but you have to do it yourself? Damn.

NolaTigaBait

nice work 220... this peter d guy really has it out for you, its pretty funny

user4818

Nah, it's all in good fun. I happen to respect guys like John that run a business even if their work is in total violation of the NEC.

user4818

I guess you've never been to Florida, California, Arizona, Nevada, Texas, Colorado, etc etc???

BuzzKill

that's a negative, besides FLA and when I am there I am on the beach.

NolaTigaBait

what violations?....

MDShunk

The president of the largest electrical contractor in my area once told me, "It's not so much the code that you need to know, but only which one's will not be enforced in order to make a successful bid". I hear that in my mind fairly frequently over the years, because I've come to believe that it is true.

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MDShunk

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user4818

Let's see...punching one big hole in the back of a panel or a can and jamming all the cables through it for starters. However, 220 has told us this is standard practice in Arizona, and the inspectors allow it. I would probably do it the same way if I lived there, but it's definitely an NEC violation.