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Old 04-07-2016, 01:11 PM   #1
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I need to upgrade my customers 100 amp overhead service to a 225 amp underground service. SDGE tells me that existing overhead transformer cannot accommodate the upgrade of service and my customer will have to pay for a new transformer (placed in from of his property) in order to upgrade his service. SDGE also says existing overhead transformer cannot be upgraded.

Can SDGE force my customer to pay for the new transformer and require him to pay for install in front of his house/ public right-of-way?
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I need to upgrade my customers 100 amp overhead service to a 225 amp underground service. SDGE tells me that existing overhead transformer cannot accommodate the upgrade of service and my customer will have to pay for a new transformer (placed in from of his property) in order to upgrade his service. SDGE also says existing overhead transformer cannot be upgraded.

Can SDGE force my customer to pay for the new transformer and require him to pay for install in front of his house/ public right-of-way?
I rather suspect that the County is the driving force for this situation.

Check out the zoning to see if the County is trying to force all 'old work' underground.

Underground Residential Distribution was paid for by the homeowners in the tracts that have it -- by a loopy round about mechanism. The Poco didn't install it for free.

That economic 'logic' is being extended to your customer, I'd say.

Before jumping into conflict ... you'll want to have a load calculation freshly done.
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Generally the utility owns the transformer and maintains it. You may have to pay for upgrade labor charges but not the equipment.

SDGE Rules

Service, Meter, and Transformer: Utility will furnish, install, own, and maintain the
following Service Facilities as applicable after Applicant meets all requirements to
receive service:
(1) Underground Service: A set of Service conductors to supply permanent
service from the Distribution Line source to the Service Delivery Point
approved by Utility.
(2) Riser Materials: Any necessary pole riser material for connecting
underground services to an overhead Distribution Line.
(3) Overhead Service: A set of overhead Service conductors and support poles
to supply permanent service from a Distribution Line source to a suitable
support at the Service Delivery Point approved by utility. Such support shall
be of a type and located such that service wires may be installed in
accordance with good engineering practice and in compliance with all
applicable laws, ordinances, rules, and regulations including those
governing clearances and points of attachment.
(4) Metering: The necessary instrument transformers where required, test
facilities, meters, associated metering equipment, and the metering
enclosures when utility elects to locate metering equipment at a point that is
not accessible to Applicant.
(5) Transformer: The transformer where required, including any necessary
switches, capacitors, electrical protective equipment, etc. When either a
padmounted or overhead transformer is installed on Applicant's Premises,
the Service Extension shall include the primary conductors from the
connection point at the distribution supply line to the transformer and the
secondary conductors, if any, from the transformer to the Service Delivery
Point.
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Do it unpermitted . ill send you an sdg&e tag to put on the meter ring.
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Don't spent a lot of time dealing with the poco for free, if the costumer want you to deal w/poco get paid for your time!
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Telsa - thank you for the response. Project is a major remodel of single family residence. Load calcs are barely covered by a new 225 amp service to be installed. Home owner wants to go underground and had budgeted for new underground service - just had not planned on purchasing a transformer.
My issue is that SDGE is telling us we have to purchase a transformer as existing overhead power can not supply the increase of new panel we requested (100a to 225a service). Trying to work out the details with SDGE now but service planner is telling me we will need a transformer and have to trench down the street/ they don't know how far at this time. SDGE service planner has now passed the project to another department and I am having a hard time getting answers from them.

Do you/ anyone else know if cost of transformer would be the customers responsibility? Is SDGE responsible to offer power within the right-of-way? I don't want my customer to pay 25K out of pocket if SDGE service planner is incompetent and unable to find an alternative option to new transformer.





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I rather suspect that the County is the driving force for this situation.

Check out the zoning to see if the County is trying to force all 'old work' underground.

Underground Residential Distribution was paid for by the homeowners in the tracts that have it -- by a loopy round about mechanism. The Poco didn't install it for free.

That economic 'logic' is being extended to your customer, I'd say.

Before jumping into conflict ... you'll want to have a load calculation freshly done.
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FaultCurrent - Thanks for the info. Where did you find the "SDGE Rules" listed in your comment?


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Generally the utility owns the transformer and maintains it. You may have to pay for upgrade labor charges but not the equipment.

SDGE Rules

Service, Meter, and Transformer: Utility will furnish, install, own, and maintain the
following Service Facilities as applicable after Applicant meets all requirements to
receive service:
(1) Underground Service: A set of Service conductors to supply permanent
service from the Distribution Line source to the Service Delivery Point
approved by Utility.
(2) Riser Materials: Any necessary pole riser material for connecting
underground services to an overhead Distribution Line.
(3) Overhead Service: A set of overhead Service conductors and support poles
to supply permanent service from a Distribution Line source to a suitable
support at the Service Delivery Point approved by utility. Such support shall
be of a type and located such that service wires may be installed in
accordance with good engineering practice and in compliance with all
applicable laws, ordinances, rules, and regulations including those
governing clearances and points of attachment.
(4) Metering: The necessary instrument transformers where required, test
facilities, meters, associated metering equipment, and the metering
enclosures when utility elects to locate metering equipment at a point that is
not accessible to Applicant.
(5) Transformer: The transformer where required, including any necessary
switches, capacitors, electrical protective equipment, etc. When either a
padmounted or overhead transformer is installed on Applicant's Premises,
the Service Extension shall include the primary conductors from the
connection point at the distribution supply line to the transformer and the
secondary conductors, if any, from the transformer to the Service Delivery
Point.
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Google is your friend... sdg&e service standards & guide.
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