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Old 03-31-2011, 10:06 AM   #1
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If I knew how to make a poll I would, but since I do not know how we will do it this way:

If you were sent to a large store to change out say 20 ballast and the lights were 277 volt and you were told you can not turn the lights off, would you change the ballast with the lights still hot?

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Old 03-31-2011, 10:07 AM   #2
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Nope. I would offer the option of doing night work so I could do the work safely, though.
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nope. After hours.
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Nope. I would offer the option of doing night work so I could do the work safely, though.
I would not change the ballasts live. I would do as 480 suggested and offer to make accommodations to come in in the evening or another time when the lights could be turned off.

Hand the manager of the store an energized electrical work permit and have him fill out the justification part and sign it. Bet they will change their tune and let you turn off the lights.

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If the lights have the quick diconnect it is not an issue or possibly turn off a row at a time I hope you add the quick disconnect as you change them out.
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If it's a large store with 20 bad ballasts, chances are there is multiple circuits and a buttload of light. Turning off one circuit at a time shouldn't be that big a deal.

Now, if you had class 0 gloves, would you do it hot?
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If it's a large store with 20 bad ballasts, chances are there is multiple circuits and a buttload of light. Turning off one circuit at a time shouldn't be that big a deal.

Now, if you had class 0 gloves, would you do it hot?
Over the last 30 years I have changed out more live ballsts than I can count it was just the way it was done myself I feel confident enough in my skills to do live changes now I wouldn't ask this of an employee.
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If I knew how to make a poll I would, but since I do not know how we will do it this way:

If you were sent to a large store to change out say 20 ballast and the lights were 277 volt and you were told you can not turn the lights off, would you change the ballast with the lights still hot?
Yes i would but that is just me.
If i had anyone working for me then it's getting shut off or it's not getting done.

Your boss cannot make you do it so if tells you that you have to that is Illegal and OSHA will nail him to the cross..

There is no reason that you cannot turn off a light circuit during day light hours.

You should not have to do it live and your boss should know better.

You can call OSHA and get your boss fixed. A nice big fine will change that attitude .
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Yes i would but that is just me.
If i had anyone working for me then it's getting shut off or it's not getting done.

Your boss cannot make you do it so if tells you that you have to that is Illegal and OSHA will nail him to the cross..

There is no reason that you cannot turn off a light circuit during day light hours.

You should not have to do it live and your boss should know better.

You can call OSHA and get your boss fixed. A nice big fine will change that attitude .
Yea get the Boss fined so he goes out of business and puts you in the unemployement line
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as for posting a poll you i think you can Edit your first post just click edit look at the bottom of the page click go advanced now scroll down there is another page below that says additional options on that page at the bottom there is a click to start a poll.
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Yea get the Boss fined so he goes out of business and puts you in the unemployement line
Funny how that works....
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Yeah +1 to disconnect. I used to change them out hot everyday. After awhile you learn what is just not worth doing.
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Over the last 30 years I have changed out more live ballsts than I can count it was just the way it was done myself I feel confident enough in my skills to do live changes now I wouldn't ask this of an employee.
I'll bet almost every electrician that has been severely injured or killed due to and electric shock or arc flash said the same thing.

It is this attitude that leads to most electrical accidents.

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Yes. Only if each light had it's own whip. I would not undo a wirenut hot that had ten fixtures on it. I don't twist, so I must assume no one does either.

It would also depend on the company policy.
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At 277V.. no.. at 120V.. yes..
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I would not ?nuetral kick on 277v is a serious ass whopping...or death ..Thrown off a ladder a.k.a accident...is bullsh t.The boss is not always right..When it comes to safety.Under load
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Wiring up electronic ballasts hot can damage the ballast. I guess you could find the junction box and disconnect them a row at a time from a junction box.
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There was a time when I did 347 volt ballasts hot. I won't even do 120 volt ones hot now. If they were new luminaires with the quck connects I would work them with live through wiring in the fixture.

After my first Arc Flash course I never want to be one of those examples. Amazing how many of the electrical workers that have been injured in an arc blast were very experienced workers. Some with only 1 safety related incident. In several cases Fatal.

Maybe a poke from the 277 volt circuit might not result in electrocution but how long would a broken leg put you out of work if you fell off the ladder after a poke?

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