captkirk

you are a nut and i think you have penis envy. A formality...? Did you forget to take a pill today......?

Black4Truck

Only a little??

captkirk

what the hell are you spewing about now...? If there was a national license why wouldnt there be inspections....? You remind me of all those "lifers" that never got their license and they think they know it all.... Its funny because you with all your experiance have never had the balls to lay your own nuts on the line. Your a little boy that thinks he knows how it all works. why dont you find something else to do with your time and let the grown ups talk. Go watch tv or something, I think they are serving pudding in the tv room or something

captkirk

Yea you can say what ever you want but remember you got no BALLS.

captkirk

I guess lawn guy passed out from the bad moonshine.

Black4Truck

He usually comes by early in the morning to post his "words of wisdom"

captkirk

I always tell myself not to get goaded into his ridiculous arguments but he makes it so hard with knuckle head, blanket statements.
Further more Im definatly not saying that anyone that doesnt have a license or doesnt want one has no balls but when some one makes comments like that, ......how can you resist. I think im gonna put him on ignore from now on. I cant think of one intelligent thing hes said yet.

acmax

UT ! O ! Another man who's failing his anger management class. Easy Captain at least when the man post his opinions he get our attention.I find it engaging, even when his comments are ridiculous.

Mike_586

Because he popped the wrong happy pill and the sky is green today? I can't think of another guy who I can agree with 100% in one thread and think is being a complete nut job the next.

To explain how our system works will be a little long winded. Suffice it to say our work actually *gasp* does get inspected up here. To get into only a few pieces i.e. licensing and inspection without mentioning training and some of the laws regarding licensed trades would be taking pieces out of context and creating more questions than answers.

I'll get into it over the weekend when I have more time to explain it. Suffice it to say, I think that once you guys had a complete picture that most of you (both contractors and workers) would prefer to see something closer to what we have than the jurisdictional maze you (and a couple of our backwards provinces) have now.

LawnGuyLandSparky

Geez, man if I had a psych degree I'd swear you're jealous... and then you move on to mentioning my family jewels?

Let me qualify the licensing statement...

For many licenseholders it is their ticket to financial success. I don't need it, so nyaaa. My Journeyman's card is adequate. What little I do on the side isn't worth the effort.

Second, I suppose here on L.I. and in downstate NY in general, MOST people live day to day breaking every law and bending every rule at least a little. In the case of EC's here... few get inspections unless absolutely necessary, as MOST residents here turned their homes from Levitt ****boxes into veritable mansions with marble foyers and jet-tubbed (like anyone ever uses it, or thinks 6 jets squirting your knees, hips and armpits is really theraputic) bathrooms, have finished basements with 1 if not 2 illegal apartments, and don't want any inspectors anywhere near their house, or risk reassessment.

Typically I see businesses whitewash the windows and contractors sneak in and out the back door, no permit displayed, and then suddenly there's a new tanning salon...

Further...

I post early by your time schedule. The job I'm on involves transit and it's night work only. This IS my "evening"... watching the sun rise...

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g.hope

I've been reading this thread and depending where your from, there is a difference between a licence and a journeyman's card. It seems in some places, a licence may mean to be a contractor, and in others, to work on electricial jobs. In Canada, when we say licence, it means your a qualified electrician. A few years ago, in Ontario, if you had your licence, you could be a contractor, anywhere, except in the big city of Toronto, there you needed to write Toronto's own master electrician test and then your company can do work there. Today, the Ontario gov't changed that because other cities where starting to do that just so they can make money from licence fees and started to make thier owns electrical rules and some were not the greatest, if you know what I mean. How it is now, if you want to be a electrical contractor, first you must get you electricial licence, then after having your licence for a couple of years(because if you just got your licence they won't let you take the test) you are eligible to write for your Ontario master electrician licence, then you are allowed to be a contractor.

Hey Mike 586 from Ottawa, I have a 309D, if you haven't heard of that one then talk to the older sparks. It's the same as a 309A, just a little more schooling.

westernexplorer

Lawnguylandsparky,

You have touch on an important problem in our industry......

I'm a State Electrical Inspector and I can't tell you how many times I have gone into a store or office in a city under my jurisdiction and find that in a few month's when I come back around, there is a complete change in occupancy....no permit, no inspections, seal cut on the meter, service panel changed, new lighting fixtures, new walls with receptacles in them........and it just goes on. Last month it was a flower shop and now it's a doctors office. The contractor never bother to change the wiring method to fit the occupancy....or get a permit, or get an inspection, or submit plans.....but, its the big old bad govt coming down on the man........lol.

jrannis

I guess I could have stated my question a bit better.
Which State was the hardest exam to qualify to sit for, and which one had the hardest test?
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westernexplorer

I would say Florida and Washington State, top the list.

Idaho, Texas, Alabama, Connecticut and Oregon were moderate in my experience......


Actually the toughest exam I ever took in my entire life was a County Master Electrician Exam in Lee County, FL. The old "Block and Associates" exam, but I only had to show 3 years experience at that time....I let it lapse many years ago and never registered it with the state, so I could not grandfather when the window was open. So I had to take the State Certification Exam......

Ofcourse this is only my opinion, based on my experience's with these States....Others may have had different experience's

Mountain Electrician

For me, it was the Wyoming masters back in 92.

captkirk

Yes It is silly that I get so irritated. I could care less what another person thinks or says. No matter how stupid it is ....... LOL

william1978

I would have to say N.C..

Lone Crapshooter

One more item, Licensing without required continuing educdtion is a joke and not good for the trade or the consumer.

ralph

That would be S.C.

zen

i think and this is for me, that having to have a license and taking whatever test needed is a better choice. i do residential work and i didn't get 4 years of training to get passed being an apprentice ,but my boss comes from the type of work,,I'm not sure if its union or if it was commercial where he knows the code new and old and understands how it all works and what he doesn't know his training taught him how to learn ..i do think with enough money for the how to pass the test classes most people can obtain the license they want but that can never teach what experience can....i took the journey man classes and i can pass the test but i m not what a journeyman essentially should be,, so I'm gonna wait till i am to take the test.

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