Lone Crapshooter

Continuing education would be on the changes in the code.
In a perfect world all trades people should serve a apprenticeship but that is just not going to happen unless you work for a union contractor or have a active ABC chapter or a IEC chapter.
The licensing authority sponsor changes in the code classes open to all licensed electricians and the ABC and IEC should sponsor classes for their members. There could be a joint venture between all 3.
LC

partimer31

All right, you electrician with and without a license of any kind, here a
quiz for you. Use the current edition on the NEC code box, 2008 edition.

ANSWER THIS QUESTION

You been told to use plastic boxes on a job your are currently working on.
In your truck you carry three sizes, all listed below. Special Note: these plastic boxes has no interior clamps. At this junction location you find you
have a total of four, 14-2/ground NM-B cables and will be installing in your
outlet/switch box one single pole toggle switch with ground screw attach.
Your answer is:

A) 18.0 Cu. In. C) 22.5 Cu. In.
B) 20.5 Cu. In. D) a & c are correct

You may share with the rest of us how you came up with your answer.

drsparky

E) e) e)

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drsparky

Thanks for giving your answer. Partimer 31

westernexplorer

The minimum size box needed would be 22 cubic inches.......based on what you said in your problem. I am looking in my 2005 NEC though, since my 2008 is at work....LOL

So the answer would be (C) 22.5 cubic inch box.

Magnettica

Yup.

4 cables = 8 conductors
eqipment grounding conductor = 1 conductor
1 device = 2 conductors

8+1+2=11 conductors

11x2.0= 22.0 minimum size box capacity.

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Thanks to Westernexplorer and Magnettica for coming forward with the correct answer. Partimer 31 ("now who you going to call ...")

partimer31

Quiz: Your given job by your boss, the customer wants an outside lamp
wired from a switch from soon to be built garage. The concrete
forum for the garage is set and ready for the concrete. The switch
will located at the entrance from garage into the kitchen. Before
you leave, your boss tell you to save wire by laying out the UF
cable thru the concrete form. As you get in the truck you think
the boss is wrong. So what section of the code prohibits embedding
Type UF cable in concrete? Use the 2005 edition for your answer.

480sparky

340.12(8).

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westernexplorer

Well, NEC 340.12 (8) prohibits the use of UF cable in poured cement or concrete

However, UF cable can only be installed under the slab of a building (Garage) if installed in a raceway......NEC 300.5

partimer31

Your sick with cold, but you go to work. When you get work you find
your work truck loaded with electric baseboard heat. Your boss hand you
the plans as to where each piece of baseboard will be located. You get
to the job, every thing goes well, expect one piece 8 Ft. section end up
underneath a duplex receptacle. You could install two 4 Ft. sections,
leaving blank section underneath the duplex receptacle. You call your
boss, the boss tells you tells you the supply house that sold him the
baseboard heat said it could. Is the boss right? Find the answer using
the NEC 2005 edition.

480sparky

110.3 (a).

424.9 FPN.

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Magnettica

The boss is always right and it's his license you're working under so do whatever he says to do.

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Mach

WV Masters

I think there should at least be a National License for a Journeyman. Has anyone ever relocated to another state say WV to CA and try to find an electrical job? It's hell, My buddy moved to TX and had a van running small jobs. They (The Sith) pulled him into the office and told him they might have to let him go unless they found a way to get him a license. It only took them 2 years to figure he didn't have one. He was like WTF, or clueless. He still works for them so I guess they figured it out.

Unless your doing design to build I am not sure why you couldn't have a national license so you could easily relocate for work. Maybe not a masters. You can pay the fees to reciprocate just not the BS for testing.

I don't recall and local, or state code questions on my exam but it's been almost 6 years.

480sparky

Money.

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dawgs

State journeymans licence.
State masters licence.
Class A contractors licence (unlimited).
Business licence in multiple citys.

partimer31

In my state, Vermont, this guy who had a State Electrician License and a
State Operator License, a.k.a as driver license. He didn't renew either. Four years went by, but they finally arrested and convicted him. He now
doing his time in Mason, Tennesse, with seven months left to serve. He
went stupid. Now he has a prison job as a dishwaher.

Mach

I concur

drsparky

Here in Maine you can look up Licensee information. The adverse actions section can be entertaining.

Summary: Licensee admitted that during or about October 2005 through January 2006 he undertook electrical installation work on ten single family dwellings, one multifamily and one commercial building, all located in the towns of Van Buren and Caswell, Maine. During this time licensee was not employed by a licensed electrical company that has a license validated by an employee or officer who holds a current master or limited electrical license. Licensee committed a total of 129 violations falling within 24 categories of the National Electrical Code in ten of the twelve buildings in which he had undertaken the electrical work. Licensee entered into contracts to do electrical work with the towns of Van Buren and Caswell using a master electrician's license of someone else. Licensee agreed to a $7800 civil penalty and agreed to enroll in and complete a 45-hour National Electrical Code Course. Licensee also agreed to voluntarily surrender his license until he enrolls in the course.

Summary: Licensee never completed permanent service to either the home owner's house or cottage despite being paid for same and misleading the owner to believe that that work had been completed; practiced deceit in stating to the home owner that a generator had been ordered when such was not the case; and used a 50 amp cable protected by a 200 amp breaker as a temporary feed for the residence for the period of construction. The board found that licensee completely violated the trust of the home owner, who paid in excess of an additional $16,000 to have the work completed; that licensee's deceit concerning the status of the generator was particularly egregious in that licensee was aware of the special needs of the family for this backup power and offered no credible explanation for not ordering the generator in a timely fashion; and that the temporary feed created a potential fire and safety hazard, as indicated by the melting of insulation on the cable. The board fined licensee a total of $4500, ordered licensee to pay $1395 hearing costs, and suspended the license for a total of 270 days, all but 30 of which are held in abeyance provided that licensee commits no further violations for a period of one year and otherwise complies with the terms of probation. Conditions of probation are that complete a 45-hour code course and comply with the sanctions summarized above.

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Quiz: Your boss send you and another electrician to a Bagel Shop to wire
a new single phase, 120 volt dishwasher. When you get there you
find one service and its has four conductor feeding into the shop
existing electrical panel. You check the panel and notice two break-
ers next to each other, then a space. The panel is full of two
breakers next to each then a space, expect where there one three
pole breaker plug in. The other electrician saids great, there enough
empty spaces to plug in another single pole breaker for the dishwah-
er. Your not sure that the dishwasher breaker should be plug into
any one of the empty 1" space, before checking. Question is what
should you be checking for?