Dennis Alwon

You win. Would you like the check made out to Cara or to you?

Chris Kennedy

Just make it out to her, saves me the time to sign it over.

OK, my turn?


Conductors or messenger wires shall not be attached to any ____ ______, _________, or ________ equipment.

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Bulldozers and Dirt

Carmexx

Conductors or messenger wires shall not be attached to any fire escape, down spout, or plumbing equipment.

ralpha494

I finally found it too. The last sentence of 225.6 (B).

I knew it should be in 225 but where?

I wonder who attached festoon lighting to plumbing equipment?

I've never even seen plumbing equipment in a festoon.

Her's one for youz guyz in Wisconsin.

A 120 volt receptacle in a motel bedroom with a sink and no cooking provisions is required to:

A. be GFCI protected if within 6 feet of the sink.
B. be GFCI protected if it is above the countertop.
C. be GFCI protected if it is above the countertop and within 6 feet of the sink.
D. be at least 6 feet away from the sink.

Dennis Alwon

Not sure what Wisconsin has to do with it but a motel room without provision for permanent cooking does not have to follow the rules for dwelling. This takes us to 210.8(B)(5).

I find the answers to be poorly stated for the following reason. Answer "A" is true but so is Answer "C". Answer "C" does not mean that it must be above the countertop but on it's own merit it is true.

Buddha In Babylon

hmmmm....

ralpha494

Wisconsin adds bedrooms to 210 (A) (7) so any receptacle within 6 feet of the outside edge of a sink in a bedroom in a dwelling unit has to be GFCI protected, no matter if it is above or below a countertop (if there is one).

210.8(B)(5) covers other than dwelling units.

Article 100 Definitions says that a dweling unit is "a single unit, providing complete and independant living facilities for one or more persons, including permanent provisions for living , sleeping cooking and sanitation".

I see now that the question shouldn't be a motel room. It was meant to trip up the exam taker. Sorry 'bout that. I'll be over in the time out chair.

If any one cares, the State tweaks on Article 210 in a bunch of other ways:
1. We don't need to GFCI a sump pump or sewage pump on a single receptacle, if a GFCI protected receptacle is within 3 feet.
2. All 15 & 20 receptacles incommercial garages need GFCI protection.
3. A/C sleeves get a circuit or a raceway.
4. AFCI's start 1/1/2010.
5. 210.12 (B) Exception No. 1 adds MC cable to the list.
6. Branch circuits for a service upgrade of a 2-family don't require separation of common area circuits.
7. We also have to put in a wall switch-controlled lighting outlet in kitchens.
8. And "recommends" brown, orange, yellow for 480v and black, red, blue for 208v in a FPN to 210.5 (C).

JohnJ0906

That's already required by the NEC. 210.70(A)(1)

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"One day at a Time"
All responses based on the '08 NEC
It's not my fault, it's not my problem, I'm not your solution.

ralpha494

I don't think the Wisconsin building code recognizes a kitchen as a habitable room, so they specifically add kitchen to "every habitable room and bathroom."

JohnJ0906

I guess they have never read the exception to that article, which specifically mentions kitchens.

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"One day at a Time"
All responses based on the '08 NEC
It's not my fault, it's not my problem, I'm not your solution.

ralpha494

I can't let this thread die.

What is the minimum cover requirement for a residential branch circuit rated 120 volts, with GFCI protection, and overcurrent protection of 15 amperes, located adjacent to an airport runway where trespassing is prohibited and bedrock is encounteredm at a depth of 5 inches?

A. 24 inches
B. 18 inches
C. 12 inches
D. What the heck! Why is this even in the code book? I Guess you have to cover the metallic or nonmetallic raceway with 2 inches of concrete all the way down to rock and then throw some dirt on top of that making it about four inches total above the pipe. (Don't forget that if you are in Wisconsin you can't bury EMT, and buried rigid and IMC require an appropriate sized ground wire in the pipe.)

Dennis Alwon

That is an interesting question but I guess the answer is "D". Not sure how the NEC can rule on property owned by someone else but 300.5 is pretty specific Note 5. What isn't specific is what is constitutes adjacent areas. Is it the entire residential lot that is subject to this requirement? If I own a 100 acre lot and my house is on the far side of the lot would I still need to follow this guideline? I don't think we have a good answer to this question.

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4 Out Of 3 People Have Trouble With Fractions

ralpha494

Unless identified for a different value, control circuit devices with screw-type pressure terminals used with 14 AWG or smaller copper conductors shall be torqued to a minimum of_____________.

A. 0.8 lb-in.
B. 5 lb-in.
C. 7 lb-in.
D. 9 lb-in.

Greg

2005 NEC: 7 lb-in 430.9 (C)

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If you're gonna be stupid, you better be tough.

Greg

A nurses call station is attached to the _________ branch circuit(s) of a health care facility.

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If you're gonna be stupid, you better be tough.

MDShunk

true.

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Greg

You know what I'm getting at, may not properly worded but it is a specific type of circuit.

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drsparky

REDNECK PROFESSIONAL ENGINEERING EXAM

1. Calculate the smallest limb diameter on a persimmon tree that will support a 10 lb. possum.
2. Which of the following cars will rust out the quickest when placed on blocks in your front yard?
A) 66 Ford Fairlane
B) 69 Chevrolet Chevelle
C) 64 Pontiac GTO.
3. If your uncle builds a still that operates at a capacity of 20 gallons of shine per hour, how many car radiators are necessary to condense the product?
4. A pulpwood cutter has a chain saw that operates at 2700 rpm. The density of the pine trees in a plot to be harvested is 470 per acre. The plot is 2.3 acres in size. The average tree diameter is 14 inches. How many Pabst Blue Ribbons will be consumed in cutting the trees?
5. If every old refrigerator in the state vented its charge of R-12 simultaneously, what would be the decrease in the ozone layer?
6. A front porch is constructed of 2x8 pine on 24 inch centers with a field rock foundation. The span is 8 feet and the porch length is 16 feet. The porch floor is 1 inch rough sawn pine. When the porch collapses, how many hound dogs will be killed?
7. A man owns a house and 3.7 acres of land in a hollow with an average slope of 15%. The man has 5 children. Can each of the children place a mobile home on the man's land?
8. A 2 ton pulpwood truck is overloaded and proceeding down a steep grade on a secondary road at 45 mph. The brakes fail. Given the average traffic loading of secondary roads, how many people will swerve to avoid the truck before it crashes at the bottom of the mountain? For extra credit, how many of the vehicles that swerved will have mufflers and uncracked windshields?
9. A coal mine operates a NFPA Class 1, Division 2 Hazardous Area. The mine employs 120 miners per shift. A gas warning is issued at the beginning of the 3rd shift. How many cartons of unfiltered Camels will be smoked during the shift?
10. How many generations will it take before cattle develop two legs shorter than the others because of grazing along a mountainside?

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"Whatever is felt is within suffering."

Dennis Alwon

Critical Branch circuit 517.33

ralpha494

Do we have to show work?