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Originally Posted by Magnettica
All this green crap was marketed to combat man-made global warming. So people could feel good about themselves and show their friends how much they cared about mother earth. Now that that theory has been exposed as a farce the green products will be in less demand and hopefully the US government will stop wasting my money on this crap.
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Not likely, it has naturally evolved into an industry with hundreds of billions of dollars feeding it. Too many nations, corporations, banks, just too many people who handle the levers of power with vested interests in all of it for it to just go away. They'll just change the message and continue researching what they 'already know' is true.
Besides how many people are out there that still refuse to believe that they even did anything wrong. Most of the green supporters just believe in what they're told to believe, they argue with emotion and very little rational thinking, they won't let petty inconveniences like reality get in the way. It has become modern religion for the greens. Their faith is unwavering and completely immune to reality.
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Originally Posted by electricnewf
Haha, good to know. Isn't wind/solar energy more efficient than conventional electricity though, or is this all just a money making scam?
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As it stands right now solar is exorbitantly expensive compared to conventional means, at least 6x more expensive and subsidized with our tax dollars, there's also a lot of debate about the manufacturing process that goes into producing the things and that information is something that's kept hidden from us. I can only surmise its because that information isn't in the green sides favor.
Wind turbines are much more efficient then solar but you've got all the "not in my backyard' yokels who are violently opposed to it being withing sight of their farms... I guess it disturbs the corn or something.
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Originally Posted by LawnGuyLandSparky
The problem with going green, especially now, is that reuse and recycle and renew has been bought up, and packaged into a profit making product for others to feast off of. It's not a movement so much as it is an industry.
Going green should be an attitude and idea adjustment, a lifestyle change, not a corporate entity.
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Originally Posted by brian john
I agree, but that ain't going to happen.
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Nothing happens in America unless it can make the people making the decisions even richer or get them re-elected.
I'll be honest, I'm all for things like solar, wind, geothermal, hydro and other renewable sources of power. But not if I have to subsidize it. If it can't be done in a way that it can compete against existing methods, the technology simply isn't ready yet.
The solar farms going up right now are something I'm strongly opposed to, even if it does mean 150+ of my fellow colleagues get work for a year putting each one up. The long term costs are just too high, and government has absolutely no place trying to force an industry into creation. I'd much prefer seeing them give tax breaks to companies that put R&D into developing something commercially viable, or in lieu of tax breaks extend their patent rights several years. As it sands solar is a white elephant. Since I'm dragging some to the world of reality, I'll say this too, electric vehicles are a white elephant as well.
I have yet to see anyone compare the differences in manufacturing and producing a gas car and maybe 2 or 3 batteries over its life time and how efficiently it burns fuel vs. the manufacture of an electric car, all those extra hundreds of deep cycle batteries over its life time and the toxic pollution that goes with manufacturing them. Then the losses that go into producing the electricity, transforming it for transmission, transforming it back down at the distribution point, transforming and rectifying it for charging, efficiency of the electric motors, losses charging the battery and how much self discharge happens when one of these cars sits for a week.
Comparing a gas powered vs. a battery powered car and saying one is 100% carbon neutral because it produces zero emissions is a deception of the highest order. There's a very powerful reason no one has been allowed to publish anything looking at the big picture.
That so many people are completely willing to swallow the lies fed to them by their leaders, by the media and organizations with a vested interest without asking questions or educating themselves just isn't surprising to me at all.
I hear a lot of people talk about how far we've come, cars, tvs, satellites, man on the moon, internet, etc. Then they seamlessly switch over to the need for all the new security measures in this dangerous new world and I'm reminded of the words below written by a guy about 2,300 years ago. Give or take a few decades.
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Democratic self-government does not work, according to Plato, because ordinary people have not learned how to run the ship of state. They are not familiar enough with such things as economics, military strategy, conditions in other countries, or the confusing intricacies of law and ethics. They are also not inclined to acquire such knowledge. The effort and self-discipline required for serious study is not something most people enjoy. In their ignorance they tend to vote for politicians who beguile them with appearances and nebulous talk, and they inevitably find themselves at the mercy of administrations and conditions over which they have no control because they do not understand what is happening around them. They are guided by unreliable emotions more than by careful analysis, and they are lured into adventurous wars and victimized by costly defeats that could have been entirely avoided.
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Its just so depressingly familiar.
Woo, for a minute there you had me a bit scared.......
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