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Old 08-14-2009, 09:08 AM   #21
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I have sold Guardian Generators for the past (6) years and have never had a problem with their units... (11) total.

The sizes were from 7 - 20kw and they continue to make changes along the way.

Only thing I don't like is GENERAC charging $300.00 to ship me (15) maintenance kits.

Total weight is less than 15 pounds and they want $300.00

If they ship a 500 pound generator, shipping costs $120.00

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Old 08-14-2009, 03:02 PM   #22
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I know that you dont like to talk numbers on line but is the contract a month to month thing or yearly...? and how many times a year do you service them..?
I just peddle the paperwork. I don't do the service work myself... that's for the guy who does the servicing. I just tack on a nice tidy profit for myself and resell the service to the customer.

It's generaly a twice-annual check-up. Once in the spring, and once inthe fall. Technician shows up, checks everything out, changes the oil, routine maintenance stuff. Anything serious I get a call and I contact the customer to see what they want to do about it.
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.... thing I don't like is GENERAC charging $300.00 to ship me (15) maintenance kits.

Total weight is less than 15 pounds and they want $300.00

If they ship a 500 pound generator, shipping costs $120.00
This should tell you a LOT about the company you are dealing with. I would never want to deal with any company that selectively rips you off like that.
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Generac = gener crap

If you're making me choose between the two, the Kohler is what I'll pick any day.

I'm right here with MD on this one. I have done too many repairs and spent too much time on the phone with Genercrap for them too be worth the plastic there are built with.
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All I use at my sites are Onan or Catapillar.
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Kirk.. how did you make out with the generator sale??

What size are you going with
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I have had experience with both systems and I would have to say that I prefer the Generac product hands down. It is far easier to install with the pre-wired whips and pre-drilled holes. Plus you have much more flexibility with kW sizes and enclosure materials. They also have much cleaner power, I believe it is less than 5% total harmonic distortion, Kohler doesn't list theirs. Plus the customers really like the quiet test feature. Since all of the systems exercise, they like the fact that the units exercise at the lower RPM instead of full speed. It saves them fuel and is less noisy. My vote is Generac.
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I have had experience with both systems and I would have to say that I prefer the Generac product hands down. It is far easier to install with the pre-wired whips and pre-drilled holes. Plus you have much more flexibility with kW sizes and enclosure materials. They also have much cleaner power, I believe it is less than 5% total harmonic distortion, Kohler doesn't list theirs. Plus the customers really like the quiet test feature. Since all of the systems exercise, they like the fact that the units exercise at the lower RPM instead of full speed. It saves them fuel and is less noisy. My vote is Generac.
The other units run at half the speed of the Generac under load or test.



Generac is crap, no two ways about it.

You would not happen to be a dealer of generac would you?
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...............You would not happen to be a dealer of generac would you?
Seems a big coincidence he's from Wisconsin, and that just happens to be where Generac is HQ'd...........
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The other units run at half the speed of the Generac under load or test.



Generac is crap, no two ways about it.

You would not happen to be a dealer of generac would you?
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Seems a big coincidence he's from Wisconsin, and that just happens to be where Generac is HQ'd...........
I am pretty sure if he is from Miluwakee area. if so he probley is a dealer for Generac.

For me the Generac did asked me if I want to join in thier dealearship I turn them down.

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Kirk.. how did you make out with the generator sale??

What size are you going with
she is going to go with a 30 KW kohler. I appreciate the help guys. I kept the generac out of the picture. Also I may have gotten my EC buddy a 20,000 kw solar job from her. I'll post some pics when im done with it.

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I have sold Guardian Generators for the past (6) years and have never had a problem with their units... (11) total.

The sizes were from 7 - 20kw and they continue to make changes along the way.

Only thing I don't like is GENERAC charging $300.00 to ship me (15) maintenance kits.

Total weight is less than 15 pounds and they want $300.00

If they ship a 500 pound generator, shipping costs $120.00
They might be the only choice for those micro units. If I was paying 30 or more grand for a generator, I would start with no less than a Kohler and go up from there.
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we service all kinds here and i have not had a difference from one to the other. the generacs we install are just as good as an other from the tote-arounds to 100kw.
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we service all kinds here and i have not had a difference from one to the other. the generacs we install are just as good as an other from the tote-arounds to 100kw.
You would know better than anyone else about the larger units.

Every brand has lemons and so far I have been lucky

I had a problem with GENERAC about their shipping charges for "maintenance kits" and it turns out there was a glitch with their shipping programming.. problem solved
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A common nic for Generac is Generjunk.
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So Friday about noon I get called by the boss and told 'get to Provincetown MA ASAP' to meet the Generator tech to do an 'emergency start up' of the 80 KW Generac unit I mentioned earlier in the thread. He also said 'Do not leave that customer until that genset is ready for use and circuits cut over from a dead generator.

So I get there about 3 hours later, 130 miles and weekend Cape Cod traffic, the Generator tech is there along with a plumber from the company that ran the propane line. They tell me that they had it running, great life is good.

No says the generator tech, when he started it he heard a noise, it turned out to be a shaft that extends the engine crankshaft out past the radiator to run the fan. It was not correctly aligned with the crank shaft. It has a 'flex' coupling but the misalignment was so severe it would have needed a universal joint not a metal 'flex plate' type joint.

He calls the factory support, gets the run around and finally gets a guy who knew that had been an issue, he explains the fix. It took the generator tech and plumber at least two hours working together to pretty much disassemble the entire front end modify some brackets and put it all back together again.

When the tech asked for job number so he could get paid for this extra work he was told that was part of the 'adjustments' necessary that he was already being paid for under the 'start up' pay.

In the mean time I am helping out by pulling out the single 300 amp breaker it shipped with and installing the 200 and 100 amp breaker it was specified with, the gen tech would have done it but his hands where full as it was.

When we first saw the misalignment we talked about bringing in a portable genset and wiring that up outside ......... but can't do that because the Generac transfer switch has no provision for two wire start that a portable set would need. The Genrac ATS actual has no brain at all, that is in the Genset, the genset board runs the ATS (two of them in this case) via an RS-485 data connection. You also need a lap top plugged into the genset to make changes to voltage tolerance, transfer times etc.

I was done at about 2:30 AM Sat morning, drove about an hour, slept in the truck for about 1.5 hours and finally got home about 6:30 AM Sat.


I hate Generac.

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So Friday about noon I get called by the boss and told 'get to Provincetown MA ASAP' to meet the Generator tech to do an 'emergency start up' of the 80 KW Generac unit I mentioned earlier in the thread. He also said 'Do not leave that customer until that genset is ready for use and circuits cut over from a dead generator.

So I get there about 3 hours later, 130 miles and weekend Cape Cod traffic, the Generator tech is there along with a plumber from the company that ran the propane line. They tell me that they had it running, great life is good.

No says the generator tech, when he started it he heard a noise, it turned out to be a shaft that extends the engine crankshaft out past the radiator to run the fan. It was not correctly aligned with the crank shaft. It has a 'flex' coupling but the misalignment was so severe it would have needed a universal joint not a metal 'flex plate' type joint.

He calls the factory support, gets the run around and finally gets a guy who knew that had been an issue, he explains the fix. It took the generator tech and plumber at least two hours working together to pretty much disassemble the entire front end modify some brackets and put it all back together again.

When the tech asked for job number so he could get paid for this extra work he was told that was part of the 'adjustments' necessary that he was already being paid for under the 'start up' pay.

In the mean time I am helping out by pulling out the single 300 amp breaker it shipped with and installing the 200 and 100 amp breaker it was specified with, the gen tech would have done it but his hands where full as it was.

When we first saw the misalignment we talked about bringing in a portable genset and wiring that up outside ......... but can't do that because the Generac transfer switch has no provision for two wire start that a portable set would need. The Genrac ATS actual has no brain at all, that is in the Genset, the genset board runs the ATS (two of them in this case) via an RS-485 data connection. You also need a lap top plugged into the genset to make changes to voltage tolerance, transfer times etc.

I was done at about 2:30 AM Sat morning, drove about an hour, slept in the truck for about 1.5 hours and finally got home about 6:30 AM Sat.


I hate Generac.

you shoulda just slept on the beach and gone fishin

(note to self: put emergency surf casting rod in truck)
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Well..,,

There is a other person to add on the list whom they don't like the dammed Generarc generators.

I got one early this moring and that was kinda like headache it never ran right due this is a LP unit and to make it worst some dolt have the LP in wrong format. this generator is set up to take in vapor instead of liquid draw which the dolt did and got the regulator frezze up pretty bad { about quarter inch of ice there } and to make it worst have main fuel valve nozzle set up for natural gas instead of LP that part I don't know why that dolt did it.

Took me 2 hours to fix it right and run good now.

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I got one early this moring and that was kinda like headache it never ran right due this is a LP unit and to make it worst some dolt have the LP in wrong format. this generator is set up to take in vapor instead of liquid draw which the dolt did and got the regulator frezze up pretty bad { about quarter inch of ice there } and to make it worst have main fuel valve nozzle set up for natural gas instead of LP that part I don't know why that dolt did it.
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I worked at some apartment buildings doing maintenance for a couple years and they had propane as a backup. And also they got a break on the energy bill if they had that backup in place, the gas company would call about once a winter and tell them to switch over to propane. When yoiu switched it over you have to check each boiler to make sure the pilot light didn't blow out at the switch. We had 22 boilers we had to check the pilots on and it never failed that right when we got done checking them all we would get the call to switch back and the whole thing would start over. It was a pretty much an all day ordeal but I guess it saved the company a barn fulll of money

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