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Old 07-14-2009, 11:16 AM   #1
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As part of its energy plan announced Monday, BGE wants to install "smart meters" into residences that they claim would allow consumers to save money if they lower their energy consumption during the peak periods. Oh yeah, and BGE wants a monthly charge to the customer for this honor.

My question: what OTHER features do these new meters have that might be motivating BGE (and other POCO's) to want to replace the tens of thousands of installed and presumably functioning meters?

Any thoughts? Thanks.

Link to the story <http://www.baltimoresun.com/business/bal-bz.bge14jul14,0,1356638.story> and here is a pic of the critters:
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Old 07-14-2009, 12:03 PM   #2
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They switched all the ones around here to remote reading type a few years ago.

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They switched all the ones around here to remote reading type a few years ago.
This isn't about remote reading ability (although that could be a feature).
This is about an "idiot light" in the house to tell whoever is home and able to do something about it when rates are lower outside of that 2-7pm time frame (for those unable to read a clock I suppose).

Maybe I'm just being paranoid but I just can't reconcile that there isn't some other feature related to these new meters that the POCO isn't telling us about.

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Old 07-14-2009, 09:00 PM   #4
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Would have to wonder myself what else they are getting out of it. If I had to guess they do not get an automatic return on investment for a new power plant so it is cheaper to conserve. I think Dominion here in VA gets a guaranteed return when they build so I am sure it is easy to "need" another plant.

On another note, that is a big honkin idiot light.... guess it will get your attention, b ut who wants that thing around? I'm not thinking that will be popular... get a clock people
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You really have to understand the wholesale power market to figure out what is going on with the "beat the peak" programs being initiated by many poco's these days.

Especially, when it comes to dealing with poco's on the PJM interconnection grid, such as you have in Maryland.

Electric power is sold in wholesale lots on a monthly basis, and there are surcharges that can be assessed during what is known as the peak critical hour during any given month.

The problem is figuring out exactly which hour of the month was the absolute peak in terms of kWh used.

For you see, this is determined on a lookback basis, once the month has ended. The surcharges are assessed after the fact.

It becomes a game of cat-and-mouse in some cases.

So, power companies are instituting programs that can cut back on their usage during times of peak demand of electricity. In the summer months, this usually occurs in the afternoon of hot swealtery days. The hours of 2-7 was mentioned, but the critical hour usually occurs between 3-6 pm.

In winter, this can occur in the morning hours of 7-9 AM, or 5-8 PM, also depending on the severity of the weather.

These surcharges can be 10 times or more of the regular cost of providing electricity. Investments in technology such as peak demand load controls, or smart meters can have a short payback period when dealing with costs of a dollar or more for each kWh during the critical hour.

The poco is essentially selling electricity at a huge loss during those time periods.

I have been on a 3-tiered time-of-use rate for over 10 years on my local coop, so I am quite familiar with how such programs work. My 3rd rate is what I call "high dollar" (over $1.90/kWh) and is only instituted during those times seeking the critical hour.

The payback I get from being on the program is reduced rates during normal peak and off-peak times.
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Comment #1- PJM is the equivalent of the highway bandits of the power grid. All the POCO's I work under are buying from PJM for some or all of their power.

Comment #2- In addition to the ability to read the meters by IR gun, those smart meters will also tattle on you if you pull them.
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SCE has a program just for air conditioners. They install a box on your condensing unit that can remotely open the line voltage if it gets real bad on their end. They are limited to no more than 15 minutes per hour between the hours of 12:00 pm and 8:00 pm. They give you a credit of $0.34 per ac ton per day during their "summer" months. It saves me over a hundred a year and the thing hasn't been hooked up in 4 years. I took it off when I replaced my condensing unit and have yet to get around to hooking it back up.

I wouldn't want this device on the meter. Would they turn off a phase? There goes my freezer and my **** downloads.
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Toronto is all smart metered now.. Not sure when they kick in.
I am about to put a timer on the hot water tank.
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I had the time of day meter from BGE for about 12 years. If you can keep track of the times and when winter or summer rates were in effect it worked for us. We adjusted our life style to make it work. Laundry on off peak times, dishwasher with a delay start feature only ran in off peak.

I also have one of those remote switches on my heatpump.
Is it hooked up ? You tell me

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