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06-09-2009, 02:16 PM
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PVC MC Cable
In my plant we have a lot of pvc coated mc cable for branch circuits and feeders ran in cable tray.
I have an application where it would be helpful to run mc cable as there is not much room for conduit.
The circuit will be fed from a mcc and will terminate at a disconnect on an outside wall.
I want to know if i can run the mc and strap it to the wall or to strut on the wall and be code compliant.
I am located in atlanta georgia and this is in a heavy industrial manufacturing plant.
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06-09-2009, 02:51 PM
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330.12 Uses Not Permitted. Type MC cable shall not be
used where exposed to the following destructive corrosive
conditions, unless the metallic sheath is suitable for the con-
ditions or is protected by material suitable for the conditions:
(1) Where subject to physical damage
(2) Direct burial in the earth
(3) In concrete
FPN to (3): MC cable that is identified for direct burial appli-
cations is suitable for installation in concrete.
(4) Where subject to cinder fills, strong chlorides, caustic
alkalis, or vapors of chlorine or of hydrochloric acids
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06-09-2009, 03:00 PM
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But can it be strapped to the wall?
Or does it need cable tray?
this is pvc coated,chem resistant and uv resistant.
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06-09-2009, 03:03 PM
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What does your boss say?
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06-09-2009, 03:07 PM
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If the cable is not subject to physical damage where you plan to install it, yes it can be strapped to the wall.
330.10(4) permits it to be installed EXPOSED.
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06-09-2009, 03:26 PM
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It is in a locked utility room with nothing stored on that wall and a main beam is in front of it.
Is there a height requirement for the horizontal run strapped to the wall?
Total length will only be about 15 feet.
Any special requirement of the strapping lengths/spacing?
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06-09-2009, 03:33 PM
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take a look at article 330.
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06-09-2009, 03:40 PM
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yeah plc noob you can run it to the wall, tie wrap it to another conduit, put it in a cable tray, you can even run conduit up the wall and drop the mc down in to it. no problem. just make it look good.
Last edited by sparkyboys; 06-09-2009 at 03:42 PM.
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06-09-2009, 03:55 PM
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And you don't even need to use an anti-short!
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06-09-2009, 04:00 PM
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oh, and use the anti-short
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06-09-2009, 04:37 PM
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Are you sure it is not type AC cable? It is more common in industrial environments.
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06-09-2009, 04:44 PM
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tie wrap it to another conduit,
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You can't use a conduit as support for a cable except under certain circumstances, see 300.11(B).
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06-09-2009, 04:57 PM
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Quote:
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You can't use a conduit as support for a cable except under certain circumstances, see 300.11(B).
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i have and it has passed inspection plenty of times
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06-09-2009, 05:02 PM
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Quote:
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i have and it has passed inspection plenty of times
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You just keep telling yourself that.
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06-09-2009, 05:08 PM
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Quote:
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i have and it has passed inspection plenty of times
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Oh so this makes it legal?
Didn't know that your hack work would over ride the code - Must be tough to have that much weight on your shoulders
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06-09-2009, 05:09 PM
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i have and it has passed inspection plenty of times
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So what? That doesn't mean it's NEC compliant. Just because something passes doesn't mean it's correct. Inspectors are people too, they do miss things from time to time.
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06-09-2009, 05:15 PM
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So what? That doesn't mean it's NEC compliant. Just because something passes doesn't mean it's correct. Inspectors are people too, they do miss things from time to time.
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exactly. its all in how its done. if its seeable,then they will catch it. if not, then on with the rest of the job
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06-09-2009, 05:16 PM
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I working on not missing things
A slow economy has helped me with this, as I have more time to do my job now. Some jobs the longer I'm there the more nervous the contractor gets
Last edited by manchestersparky; 06-09-2009 at 05:18 PM.
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06-09-2009, 05:18 PM
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good. but every inspector misses things, not saying you are not good at what you do, but only the obvious things are caught
and that is another reason why i stay calm
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06-09-2009, 05:23 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sparkyboys
exactly. its all in how its done. if its seeable,then they will catch it. if not, then on with the rest of the job
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Keep in mind that whether or not the inspector catches a violation does not relieve the electrical contractor, and ultimately the electrician, of the legal responsibility to install the wiring to code.
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