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08-16-2010, 08:00 PM
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Service call
We got a call today from a plant we do a lot of work at. Their engineer says "One section of switchgear just blew up. I don't know how bad it is but it pouring out smoke.".
At this point I'm thinking bad things like trying to find some bus or at the very least re-pulling the mains.
So we get there and find it was a 400A circuit for one of their chillers was originally installed with it laying on a sharp edge in the gear.
Over time it worked it's way through the insulation.
We lucked out as it didn't hurt any of the surrounding wire, we just had to pull one set. The worst part of that was getting the old wire out, They were over on their bends and the old stuff was rusted in there not to mention it was about 115deg in there.
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08-16-2010, 08:07 PM
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at least it wasn't worse and no one got hurt. awhile back had a gear blow up in a similar way, feeder had a straight-through on it right behind the lug with about 3 wraps of vinyl, it decided to eat through the tape when i was about 3 feet away working on something else, almost sh#t my pants.
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08-16-2010, 08:13 PM
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You really need to get a better camera and READ the instructions..
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08-16-2010, 09:45 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Black4Truck
You really need to get a better camera and READ the instructions.. 
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That was my phone.I thought they actually looked pretty good on my phone at the time. 
Sorry man I'll try harder next time for ya.
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08-16-2010, 10:40 PM
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Thats pretty sloppy, letting that wire rest on the metal like that. Not even any attempt to cushion the wire...
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08-16-2010, 11:09 PM
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Originally Posted by captkirk
Thats pretty sloppy, letting that wire rest on the metal like that. Not even any attempt to cushion the wire...
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Yea, the outfit that wired that building originally had no clue what they were doing. It's pretty much par for the course for these guys.
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08-16-2010, 11:13 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by captkirk
Thats pretty sloppy, letting that wire rest on the metal like that. Not even any attempt to cushion the wire...
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See now thats the kind of stuff inspectors should be looking for..... before the accidents happen. Not goofy "I made up my own rules today" stuff.
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08-16-2010, 11:17 PM
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scrap wire lengh?  $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
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08-17-2010, 12:50 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by mattsilkwood
We got a call today from a plant we do a lot of work at. Their engineer says "One section of switchgear just blew up. I don't know how bad it is but it pouring out smoke.".
At this point I'm thinking bad things like trying to find some bus or at the very least re-pulling the mains.
So we get there and find it was a 400A circuit for one of their chillers was originally installed with it laying on a sharp edge in the gear.
Over time it worked it's way through the insulation.
We lucked out as it didn't hurt any of the surrounding wire, we just had to pull one set. The worst part of that was getting the old wire out, They were over on their bends and the old stuff was rusted in there not to mention it was about 115deg in there.
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When everything came back on line what was the current draw?
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08-17-2010, 01:28 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by voltz
scrap wire lengh?  $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
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600' 4/0 and 200' #1. But they kept it  . They save all the scrap steel and copper then the maintenace dept splits it at the end of the year.
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08-17-2010, 01:59 AM
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On a side note, many supply houses sell this stuff called "quick-edge". It's a rubber U shaped material that slips over sharp sheet metal edges and bushes the edge against abrasion. It's a life-saver sometimes, when you have no choice but to have wires resting on a hard edge. I've even butted two panels, side-by-side, cut out an oval of nearly the entire side, and used quick edge to join the two panels.
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08-17-2010, 05:11 AM
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In service gutters I have wedged 1x2 wood in there plenty of times to keep the 500's from rubbing up against sharp edges
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08-17-2010, 05:49 AM
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I try to bend the wire to avoid the edges and use cable ties to keep it held back away, but honestly I think this kind of thing could still happen. It's amazing how much these wires can move with the right kind of load on them.
Mike
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08-17-2010, 10:45 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MDShunk
On a side note, many supply houses sell this stuff called "quick-edge". It's a rubber U shaped material that slips over sharp sheet metal edges and bushes the edge against abrasion. It's a life-saver sometimes, when you have no choice but to have wires resting on a hard edge. I've even butted two panels, side-by-side, cut out an oval of nearly the entire side, and used quick edge to join the two panels.
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I've never seen that but I have used the stuff from the auto parts store that they sell for protecting door edges, I'm guessing it's pretty close to the same stuff. It is pretty cheap and makes for a nice looking install.
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