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Old 03-27-2012, 09:17 PM   #41
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I'd contact the DCA, oh and there is a difference between listed and tested. If its not ul listed that could pose a problem.
Yea I already contacted them via email hopefully I will get this resolved

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Old 03-27-2012, 09:17 PM   #42
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What course of action should I take? Really not trying to toot my own horn but this is my first failed inspection in the 2 years I have been in business. I knew this day would come but not for something I am pretty sure is code compliant
I heard Suzanne Borek has the issue with them.

When you find out please post the results.
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Old 03-27-2012, 09:25 PM   #43
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I was doing a Internet search in regards to UL 67 and seen a post stating that NJ no longer accepts this UL listing? Not sure what this all means but I know UL 67 has something to do with panel boards .
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Here's the reply I received from the state

“At this time the ‘Interlockit’ device is presented not listed. Products violating the code (listing/labeling) is covered in the Uniform Construction Code N.J.A.C. 5:23-3.8. Interlockit has provided a letter stating that they are presently going through another recognized testing lab to obtain listing/labeling of their product. Therefore, until Interlockit receives the listing/labeling from the new testing lab the product is not permitted to be used.”
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They are not UL tested, nor listed.

They were tested/evaluated by Wyle Laboratories, a different NRTL.

A competitor to UL as it were, similar to GE and Square D being competitors.

UL 67 is mentioned in their report as a standard reference.

And, no, I have never had one of my installations turned down when using this product.
Wyle Laboratories is no longer a NRTL.

I just emailed them asking for their listing documentation and they replied to me that they are no longer a NRTL.

Looks like the Interlock company is misrepresenting a whole lot of stuff.
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Here's the reply I received from the state

“At this time the ‘Interlockit’ device is presented not listed. Products violating the code (listing/labeling) is covered in the Uniform Construction Code N.J.A.C. 5:23-3.8. Interlockit has provided a letter stating that they are presently going through another recognized testing lab to obtain listing/labeling of their product. Therefore, until Interlockit receives the listing/labeling from the new testing lab the product is not permitted to be used.”
Translation.... Neither you or I can make a rational decision on our own. We need written documentation to tell us what to do because we are morons..
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Translation.... Neither you or I can make a rational decision on our own. We need written documentation to tell us what to do because we are morons..
I got an email from Wyle Labs today and they said the Interlock kits are still considered listed.

Not exactly sure what to make of all this
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This is stupid. What exactly would they look at? I mean it either locks the main out when the generator breaker is on, or vice versa. Seems damn simple to me.
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This is stupid. What exactly would they look at? I mean it either locks the main out when the generator breaker is on, or vice versa. Seems damn simple to me.
I agree

But I don't make the rules. I just get red stickers when I don't follow them, regardless of how stupid they are.
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Wyle Laboratories is no longer a NRTL.

I just emailed them asking for their listing documentation and they replied to me that they are no longer a NRTL.

Looks like the Interlock company is misrepresenting a whole lot of stuff.
Wyle Labs was a NRTL at the time those interlockkits were tested.

Since then, they lost their ability to list new products. Some bureaucratic nonsense and disagreement with OSHA. Their ability to generate new listings was terminated as of August, 2011.

The loss of their recognition does not have anything to do with the current listings of the interlockkit products.

Products that were previously listed have not been stripped of their listings.
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I agree

But I don't make the rules. I just get red stickers when I don't follow them, regardless of how stupid they are.
So what rule wasn't followed here?
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What course of action should I take? Really not trying to toot my own horn but this is my first failed inspection in the 2 years I have been in business. I knew this day would come but not for something I am pretty sure is code compliant
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So what rule wasn't followed here?
Using UL listed products. Jersey law requires the use of all UL listed equipment, not just tested.
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In other words DO not purchase these interlock kits if you plan on installing them in NJ.
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In other words DO not purchase these interlock kits if you plan on installing them in NJ.
Or at least until they get a listing approving them for use.
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How long typically do I have to rectify the red sticker? Maybe if I wait long enough they will become listed.
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Using UL listed products. Jersey law requires the use of all UL listed equipment, not just tested.
Do you have a link?
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[quote=ElectricJoeNJ;681531]Using UL listed products. Jersey law requires the use of all UL listed equipment, not just tested.[/quot
Not true
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I always thought an interlock had to lift the neutral too? It's not enough to prevent backfeed; it has to be a full disconnect.
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Could be they don't like the idea that if the panel face is removed, a safety problem exists.
Ya got one spot there that one Inspector in Wisconsin told me about this issue will come up in case someone did remove the panelboard and bypass the whole thing.

I know majorty of the time I useally have no issue with interlock kit but I rather have a real MTS and be done with it.

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