Magnettica

So now that the whole country's about to adopt California's dopey energy act, what do the California EC's think about the requirements? I've read that a few of the requirements are fluorescent lights only in the kitchen, and outside, and also the exterior lights need to be on photo-cells and/ or timers. I could easily do a search for all the other requirements but I would like to hear from the EC's out west. This is ridiculous.

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william1978

I second that.

oldman

gentlemen, ridiculous is not the correct word.....horrifying is...

mags, you don't have kids (do you?), but when you do, their kids will still be paying for this mess....

so please have lots of kids to help take the burden off my son

knowshorts

For residential, this pretty much sums it up. http://www.lutron.com/CATitle24/defa...oderequirement

For commercial, mainly just lighting controls. AB switching for areas with natural light. Motion sensors and an Intermatic 24 hour timer to shut off lights at night.

Biggest problem so far, fluorescent fixtures in kitchens. You cant just put a 6" can in a kitchen and install a CFL. It must be a CFL fixture. On single story kitchens, fixtures can be replaced easily after final. Floor above, a little harder. Easiest solution I have found for kitchens. Install a cheapy floerescent fixture to a ceiling box. Passes inspection. Then install customers $400 decorative incadescent fixture.

Bathrooms, install a cheap sensor with incadescent lighting and replace after inspection. Most women hate fluorescent in bathrooms. The mirrors don't drink alcohol.

Utility rooms, garages, and laundry rooms, I like T-8's.

Dimmers everywhere else is ok.

CFL with motion sensor in attic required here. WTF?

It still pisses me off that this great state enacted this BS. If people want (48) 6" 65 watt downlights and want to pay for their usage, then what deal is it of the state? We have the power. We are not going to run out.

Magnettica

Thank you for all the information. We have more coal on this continent than the Saudi's have oil, yet we're throwing it away in the name on a farce known as global warming. Didn't intend on getting in to it here but that's why these laws exist. If the restrictions that California has spreads across the country I'll never be able to buy a home.

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wildleg

I think its great that the great state of Calif is leading the way into the future. My only hope is that they will see the light, and join with the city of Chicago in requiring everything to be run in pipe.

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MDShunk

Anyone ever run across a link that is the summary of the main Title 24 requirements?

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JamesINla

Ripping out the CFL cans is a common occurance after final. However LED fixtures are starting to pickup on non budget driven jobs. Motion sensors in the walk in pantrys are a good idea...

TOOL_5150

Im not an EC, just an electrician, but it sure doesnt bother me! I Support energy conservation in general, but not necessarly agree with alll the dang rules we have.

For an example: I HATE seeing motion lights mounted on peoples' houses in their driveway, and when a car goes by - it turns on. Thats way too sensitive and is a waste of electricity. But on the flipside, I figured I would try to conserve energy when I bought my new house, and installed a motion light at my front door. Its 10:30pm and 90 degrees out right now - I dont think it 'saw' me and wouldnt turn on. So, I had to put all the crap in my hands down so I could put my hand in front of the sensor so it would turn on so I could open the door.

If energy conservative devices worked as described 100% of the time, I believe people would be more apt to install them.

~Matt

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goose134

This is another well intentioned but misguided effort to lower the carbon footprint of the nation. The mercury footprint will be a bit larger.

joe cool

I had to swap a bunch of canlights in a kitchen out for the 4-pin kind and haven't made that mistake again. For bathrooms I have a pair of like-new 4-pin ceiling lights that have passed many inpections.
I've found that an intermatic timeclock can pass for a lighting controller in small commercial, but one time I had to get a letter from the engineer supporting this. Most recently I found some intermatic digital ones that even said title 24 on the box. I think they were $150 each will do two circuits, look a lot better than the swimming pool pump ones.

oldman

the fact that you guys in California temporarily install fluorescents to pass inspection, then change to incandescents, just proves that this is flawed legislation and a waste of time, effort and energy....not to mention money....

this truly has become a sad country...we should be proud of ourselves...

Bob Badger

I am a licensed professional, I would never help a customer break the rules.

I hope you get caught and screwed hard.

TOOL_5150

I completly agree. I have had to tell customers i have to "bla bla bla due to title 24" and they dont like it. Then they ask if I can change it after the inspection, I promptly tell them "I will not do it, because I have to follow the energy conservation guidelines, But I cant stop you from doing anything after I get the job finaled." I would never do a job to make it pass, then after the inspector leaves, change it - I would be putting my supervisor [the lisence holder] in a huge liability danger. Its foolish, and the guys that do in fact do that can not be called professionals.

~Matt

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drsparky

This is the first I heard that the rest of the country is going to title 24, were did you read that?

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oldman

Don't worry, go back to sleep.

drsparky

I did not get the memo, I do industrial. I am sorry if my question upset you, shouldn't you be chasing kids off your lawn?

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480sparky

Just make sure your contract states you will provide no warranty if your work is altered by anyone but you.

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oldman

It doesn't matter if you are a landscaper. This is part of rthe energy bill they are cramming down our throats because people aren't paying attention.

You didn't upset me, society as a whole has upset all of us.

william1978

I agree with Bob 100% I hope it gets broke off in you.