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Old 04-24-2013, 04:00 PM   #1
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I am from a family of electricians and grew up with this. I attended Wentworth for my Journeyman's and have been licensed in two states. I have passed four state exams for Major Load Calculations. I use the Mike Holt study guides to prepare. I ace theory, code, WAC, and practical applications.

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I also have failed the State Master Electrician/ Administrator Exam Major Load Calculations FIVE times in the past two months. There are many duplex questions and I cannot seem to get these right no matter what I do. There is virtually nothing in the NEC nor in the Holt materials to help.I also seem to be failing the multi-family questions. Can anyone help me? Also, is a church lighting load considered a 125% continuous load?

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did you buy the whole course from Mike Holt and study the entire NeC on his dvd's, or just buy one book ? I highly recommend the whole course.

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I did study the latest full course for this. I have no problem with the steps, but the exam has some ambiguous variables and nothing I do seems to work. For instance, several questions say "do not include any house or laundry loads", so I omit the dryer, or the laundry circuit load,, or both. Not even close, no matter which I do. Same with the commercial loads. I also don't seem to know when to apply the many different demand factors.

I have had pretty much the same questions each time as well (x5). Feeling dumb, although I have never had a single correction or rejection of my calculations used in real-life situations.
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When I took my examination to be certified as an electrical plans examiner here in Ohio I had to constantly remind myself to only answer the question as asked... although I knew there were other variables to arrive at the actual correct answer.

Could it be that you over-thinking? Sometimes the answer exams want aren't "correct" in the real world.

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1) post some examples you don't understand the answers to
2) I can't imagine even if you missed all the duplex questions that you would fail the exam, unless your test is vastly differerent from the one I took in MD, so I am guessing that you are just marginal on some of the other stuff ? maybe you need to study for a few more months (just throwing out suggestions here.)
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Major Load Calcs is only 10 questions, so missing (4) will fail you. Reading the NEC and prep books again and again has not raised my score 1% in (5) exams. When I passed this in 2005, the proctor said I was 1st of the last 96 to pass.

Examples are like .6 kw disp, 1.2 kw dish, 4.5 kw water heater, 21 amp/240 AC, (2) 8kw ovens in each side of a duplex

or, same-ish loads in a (10) or (30) unit multi-fam.+ "do not include laundry or house loads"
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I just passed my Oregon Supervisors test a couple weeks ago and was thinking about gearing up to take the Washington test. Now you have me worried....

I have been told Oregon's is one of the toughest, but maybe those people haven't taken the Washington test...

I took a class by John Powell for Oregon's Supervisor exam.
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I don't know which side of the mountains you are on, but try to look up a gentleman named Don Patten (Not sure if the spelling is correct) he teaches prep classes and continuing education. I took one of his classes several years ago and passed the General Admin test. Code sections the first time and major calculations on the third. I'm nothing more than a lowly 02 resi guy too.
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I don't know which side of the mountains you are on, but try to look up a gentleman named Don Patten (Not sure if the spelling is correct) he teaches prep classes and continuing education. I took one of his classes several years ago and passed the General Admin test. Code sections the first time and major calculations on the third. I'm nothing more than a lowly 02 resi guy too.
I took a class from don patten, good teacher he knew his stuff
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I just passed my Oregon Supervisors test a couple weeks ago and was thinking about gearing up to take the Washington test. Now you have me worried....

I have been told Oregon's is one of the toughest, but maybe those people haven't taken the Washington test...

I took a class by John Powell for Oregon's Supervisor exam.
I have a Washington Administrator License as well as a Washington Journeyman license.

Don't have the hours yet for the Oregon Supervisor but I've got a running tally... should be a bit more than a year and I'll be able to do that Gonna take the John Powell course too.

Anyway the Washington one was tough, I studied a Mike Holt calculations book as well as one of the NJATC calculations books. I passed that section with a 70 first time but it wasn't easy.

Honestly my toughest section of both the Journeyman and Administrator tests was the WAC/RCW crap. Holy smokes, Washington has some screwball organization methods for their administrative rules I actually failed that section when I did the Admin test. I was so worried about the calculations that I glossed over the WAC/RCW in my studies. Had to take that section again.
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Take a prep class. John Powell has a good one.

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