What happen to the plan? - Electrician Talk - Professional Electrical Contractors Forum

calimurray · 02-15-2009, 08:04 AM

Anybody notice that the plans for most jobs are not available lately?

I 'd say a majority of the jobs I have done in the past two years have either had several copies of the print throughout the job none consistent with the others, or there's been a interior decorator running the show!

1. How can a job even be approved by the city if there is no plans for electrical on the print, i have gotten 5 prints last year that did not even have electrical prints contained in them.

2. It seems a lot of GC's are sending out different plans to bid on and then when you get the approved plans there not the same. And a lot of our plans say if contractor misses anything it will be at the expense of the contractor. There will be no allotment for extras!

3. Interior Decorators who the hell do they think they are? always waiting on I.D.'s and when the answer comes it is usually to late. They must think it easy to tear everything apart when there about ready to start painting the house. Were on a job right now that has 4 I.D.'s Interior, lighting, exterior.

skinnyj41004 · 02-15-2009, 08:17 AM

The last three jobs I have been on have had several different sets of prints, none of them consistent. Usually the final set have alot of changes that are never noted and we have to look for them. Its like they are trying to pull a fast one and get free work. II do know with as tight as the jobs are being bidded this can be the difference between making a profit or breaking even or possibly taking a loss on the job.

ACB · 02-15-2009, 09:05 AM

I was handed a set of prints last summer for a restaurant, saw the unit was completely bare, they had already redone the floor and randomly threw in pipe where ever with no idea as to sizing, there was no kitchen equipment schedual, and the owner wanted a firm quote, I asked a few questions, did not get the answers I wanted to hear. told him because of the lack of info and the fact that the underground was done without proper planning I'll do it time and material, he said no way , so I said sorry find someone else. around here bars and some restaurants have a rep for being sleezy, screwing people for their money whatever way they can.

MDShunk · 02-15-2009, 09:08 AM

I always reference the plan date or plan revision number on any bids or quotes. The only time I ever got screwed was when the plans had no date or rev level noted on them. Now, when I get plans like that, I stamp them with a "Received" date stamper, and I reference "plans as received on xx/xx/xx date". There can be no dispute when you reference a certain plan date or plan rev level, and they run the job with different plans... that's a change order.

idesign · 02-15-2009, 09:53 AM

MDShunk is exactly right. Any revisions made to a plan should have a cloud around the area stating the revision and the date revised. Usually there is an area around the border of the plan (title block) with revision history.

Where is your G.C. in all of this? I wouldn't change jack without direction or written authorization from the G.C. If you need to tear stuff apart to revise I'd want a signed change order.

An interior designer usually does not direct subs in my experience.

Are you talking resi or commercial?

calimurray · 02-15-2009, 10:36 AM

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idesign: Are you talking resi or commercial?

both

oldman · 02-15-2009, 11:54 AM

lately everything we get is on disk or via email...

we did a project over the summer that the A/E's just were horrible in distributing information...The Architect was supposed to keep the prints updated on their FTP site...but they never did...by the end of the project there were 3 different full sets of electricals and about 50 additional sketches/drawings of specific parts of the project...logistically it was a nightmare....

especially because some would be distributed in hard copy, some electronically...

just pick one and stick to it...

idesign · 02-15-2009, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by oldman

lately everything we get is on disk or via email...

we did a project over the summer that the A/E's just were horrible in distributing information...The Architect was supposed to keep the prints updated on their FTP site...but they never did...

We post info on our FTP site as well, and when there is a revision, all the project managers are all notified. And theres are always the most current set of drawings posted along with that notification as a pdf.

If that's not updated on a regular basis the cost of those change orders go way up.

It stinks when there is poor communication on a project, I've been on both sides of the fence.