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Is there a limit on amount of conductors in twist on wire connectors ,and is there an Art. that supports this?Thanx in advance for any replies.
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05-08-2008, 02:25 PM
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Isn't it usually listed by the company who makes the product?
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05-08-2008, 03:07 PM
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yes sir! if my pops was her Id a got smack in the head for that one LOL
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05-08-2008, 06:16 PM
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Isn't it usually listed by the company who makes the product?
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Yes, this is a listing issue. 110.3(B) requires that you following the listing instructions of a listed product.
Chris
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05-08-2008, 06:22 PM
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Another case of "you have to read the instructions", or just be smarter than what your dealing with.
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05-08-2008, 10:36 PM
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Originally Posted by stillirnin
Is there a limit on amount of conductors in twist on wire connectors ,and is there an Art. that supports this?Thanx in advance for any replies.
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http://www.idealindustries.com/media...mbinations.pdf
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05-09-2008, 05:02 AM
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It's pretty sad if an electrician has to look in a chart for a task as mundane as selecting a wire nut.
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05-09-2008, 09:22 AM
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yes sir! if my pops was here Id a got smack in the head for that one LOL
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ow, yes the family trades smack I remember it well.
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05-09-2008, 12:00 PM
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It's pretty sad if an electrician has to look in a chart for a task as mundane as selecting a wire nut.
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Never thought I was smarter than the manufacturer.
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05-09-2008, 04:19 PM
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Give yourself some credit old man.
When if ever did you grab a yellow and stop to look at the chart to see if you could put it on 2 #14's ?
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05-09-2008, 10:37 PM
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Give yourself some credit old man.
When if ever did you grab a yellow and stop to look at the chart to see if you could put it on 2 #14's ?
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Hmmm.... 2 #14's... I think I'd reach for an orange - wait, lemmie look at the chart.
Here's the real problem, if two different nuts will work for the situation at hand, then how do you choose between them???
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05-09-2008, 11:27 PM
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Here's the real problem, if two different nuts will work for the situation at hand, then how do you choose between them???
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05-10-2008, 05:06 AM
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05-10-2008, 12:05 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mackie
Hmmm.... 2 #14's... I think I'd reach for an orange - wait, lemmie look at the chart.
Here's the real problem, if two different nuts will work for the situation at hand, then how do you choose between them???
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As a contractor, I'd pick the cheapest one.
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05-10-2008, 12:10 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by randomkiller
It's pretty sad if an electrician has to look in a chart for a task as mundane as selecting a wire nut.
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Originally Posted by Mountain Electrician
As a contractor, I'd pick the cheapest one.
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Most here work for someone else, and the boss may be in the habit of buying all sorts of different brands all the time. A tan wire nut made by Brand X may not have the same capability as a tan wire nut made by Brand Y. So you look at the chart to make sure you're in compliance.
Personally, since I work for myself, I use the same brand, so I don't have to waste time.
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05-10-2008, 12:26 PM
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I use the ones I think are appropriate for the task at hand and that being said, I have never looked at a chart or failed inspection for using the wrong one. When I started they were all black, so color wasn't an issue.
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05-10-2008, 12:50 PM
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Realistically, if you install it and it seems to fit and hold well, it's probably okay. If it doesn't really draw up tight, or it barely goes on at all, 9 chances out of 10 you've selected the wrong wire nut. I suppose it's something you develop a feel for over time.
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05-10-2008, 03:48 PM
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I had to train a guy how to select a wire nut for the job. He was using reds to splice #14 solid to a fixture wire. A little tug and out came the stranded. I agree with MD It's all about feel.
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05-10-2008, 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by MDShunk
Realistically, if you install it and it seems to fit and hold well, it's probably okay. If it doesn't really draw up tight, or it barely goes on at all, 9 chances out of 10 you've selected the wrong wire nut. I suppose it's something you develop a feel for over time.
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Hey MD, good to see you around here. Hope things are good by you.
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05-10-2008, 09:50 PM
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I had to train a guy how to select a wire nut for the job. He was using reds to splice #14 solid to a fixture wire. A little tug and out came the stranded. I agree with MD It's all about feel.
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Depends on the wire nut. Sometimes when using the 3M orange and blue nuts it seemed harder to get a good grab on the nut VS using a red Ideal wing nut. The wing nuts seemed to grab quicker and hold better.
Like many things, sometimes it just comes to personal preference.
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