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So, your sell your electrical work based on fear?
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Not at all.. it is a choice of material.. same as you buying tires for your truck.. what brand works better on ice and all around weather..
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05-03-2012, 11:05 PM
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That doesn't mean that it's unsafe to use. It needs to be installed properly.
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That's true. I believe that aluminum is just as long lasting and safe as copper when installed properly.
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05-03-2012, 11:06 PM
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I've never once used aluminum wire for anything. I know for certain my local "sh" doesn't carry it, nor do lowes or home depot. The topic has never even come up in the 14 years I've been doing this. This message board is the first ive ever heard of AL being used. The only time I've seen aluminum is in '70s houses and poco wires.
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Never? SE, SER? 
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05-03-2012, 11:06 PM
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So what do you charge for a 200 amp service with all copper wire? You can ball park it if you don't want to give away the exact number.  |
Prices start at $2100.00 and up...
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05-03-2012, 11:07 PM
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That's true. I believe that aluminum is just as long lasting and safe as copper when installed properly.
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Some people fear what they don't understand.
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05-03-2012, 11:08 PM
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4/0 AL SE cable is 1/3 the cost. Why would you even bother using copper cable?  |
some customers actually SPECIFY copper conductors.
there is a good reason for it. copper is better. hope i cleared that up for you.
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05-03-2012, 11:09 PM
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Only real electricians use aluminum.  |
That's "BS:".... 
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05-03-2012, 11:09 PM
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Prices start at $2100.00 and up...
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I think you need to charge a lot more than that for all copper services. That's what AL services go for around here.
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05-03-2012, 11:10 PM
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Some people fear what they don't understand.
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I don't understand Peter D.. but I sure as hell don't fear him..
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05-03-2012, 11:11 PM
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some customers actually SPECIFY copper conductors.
there is a good reason for it. copper is better. hope i cleared that up for you.
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How many residential customers actually specify copper conductors for their service entrance? Yeah, virtually none. Sure, it's a common commercial spec of course, but when it comes to resi work, your average customer has no idea what you're even putting on the side of their house.
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05-03-2012, 11:11 PM
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I think you need to charge a lot more than that for all copper services. That's what AL services go for around here.
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I go by the "going rate".. that price gets me in the ballpark..
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05-03-2012, 11:12 PM
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I think you need to charge a lot more than that for all copper services. That's what AL services go for around here.
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Really? I'll bet you will do one for $1,300.00....if you could even sell it.
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05-03-2012, 11:12 PM
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I go by the "going rate".. that price gets me in the ballpark.. |
What does the going rate mean? No such thing.
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05-03-2012, 11:12 PM
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That's "BS:".... |
Thanks for clearing that up. 
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05-03-2012, 11:13 PM
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Thanks for clearing that up. |
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05-03-2012, 11:13 PM
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How many residential customers actually specify copper conductors for their service entrance? Yeah, virtually none. Sure, it's a common commercial spec of course, but when it comes to resi work, your average customer has no idea what you're even putting on the side of their house.
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Maybe by you.. not here.. 
There have been multiple house fires where people died because of AL wire.. that never goes away..
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05-03-2012, 11:14 PM
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Really? I'll bet you will do one for $1,300.00....if you could even sell it. |
Why do you say such stupid things?
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05-03-2012, 11:14 PM
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What does the going rate mean? No such thing.
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Google is your friend.. the "going rate" is all around you...
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05-03-2012, 11:17 PM
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Says the raving mad man who rented a van.
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05-03-2012, 11:17 PM
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Google is your friend.. the "going rate" is all around you...
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So if I sell a 200 amp service upgrade for $4000 and another ec sells a 200 amp overhead service for $2100 then, what's the going rate?
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