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03-28-2011, 01:18 PM
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03-28-2011, 01:22 PM
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Wonder if copper is damaged if it's just discolored like that? The busses don't look melted. Not sure I'd be comfortable repairing it though. Recommend replacement.
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03-28-2011, 01:23 PM
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I would sell them a panel. If they decline I would give them the option to repair it with NO Warranty on the repair.
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03-28-2011, 01:25 PM
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Quote:
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I would sell them a panel. If they decline I would give them the option to repair it with NO Warranty on the repair.
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No warranty is fine.. but what if it is damaged and does smoke test.. Then who's holding the bag..
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03-28-2011, 01:44 PM
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No warranty is fine.. but what if it is damaged and does smoke test.. Then who's holding the bag..
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That bus looks discolored but I would bet will not be an issue. What would cause smoke?  No warranty means the customer is holding the bag....And they would be told this if they chose the repair option.
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03-28-2011, 01:49 PM
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what does repair mean?
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03-28-2011, 01:54 PM
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I wasn't aware that there was such a thing as a plug-in lug kit. Seems like a bad idea. It was in this case. I'd recommend replacing this burned panel. A repair IMO would be replacing the buss, not writing "burned buss" on the cover.
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03-28-2011, 01:56 PM
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Replace. Repair is not an option, even sans a warranty. If the place burns down, the owner's lawyer won't give a rat's arse about lack of warranty.
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03-28-2011, 01:59 PM
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The way the code reads, I don't think you can do anything besides declare that whole bus "scrap". The only compliant repair option is to replace the burned parts, or the entire panel. That said, I've occasionally done as you have done. Rearrange things and put some filler plates in the cover where the burned bus is. Depends on my mood and the phase of the moon.
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03-28-2011, 02:06 PM
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Replace. Repair is not an option, even sans a warranty. If the place burns down, the owner's lawyer won't give a rat's arse about lack of warranty.
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And how are they going to prove we did the repair? Cash only no invoice.....  
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03-28-2011, 02:08 PM
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And how are they going to prove we did the repair? Cash only no invoice..... |
The HO makes a pretty convincing witness. 
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03-28-2011, 02:10 PM
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You can always find someone willing to ductape it for ca$h.
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03-28-2011, 02:10 PM
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Thermally damaged copper and/or Aluminum loses it tensile strength.
Thermally damaged plastic, can become a semi conductor and can absorb moisture.
And that fish paper I'd bet is a conductor. MEGGER IT at 1000 VDC.
Three very good reasons to replace, but the best reason to replace is what Marc stated.
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03-28-2011, 02:12 PM
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The HO makes a pretty convincing witness. |
I don't believe what customers say. Some have problems telling the truth....
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03-28-2011, 02:21 PM
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I only replace burned panels, you never know what idiot is gonna come back around and stick a breaker back on that burned lug.
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03-28-2011, 02:21 PM
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I don't believe what customers say. Some have problems telling the truth.... |
Especially when they want your money.
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03-28-2011, 03:38 PM
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I'd replace that one. Usually when I see plug on lugs burn there was quite a load on it and it really heated up the bus.
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03-28-2011, 03:52 PM
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no question i would replace it
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03-28-2011, 03:54 PM
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I'd replace it.
If HO said he wants it repaired, I'd recommend him someone else for the job.
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03-28-2011, 04:02 PM
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Quote:
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And how are they going to prove we did the repair? Cash only no invoice..... |
I thought you guys were a big time company?
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