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Old 02-29-2012, 11:36 AM   #41
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.......Believe me, because I was there! BillW ( don't bet, you will lose)

You were 'there' in 1899?

Lemme do the math.... ought plus ought is ought........

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Old 02-29-2012, 12:15 PM   #42
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You were 'there' in 1899?

Lemme do the math.... ought plus ought is ought........

Oscar Wilde said that " sarcasm is the lowest form of wit " but he was being sarcastic when he said it. BillW
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Old 02-29-2012, 03:36 PM   #43
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There is some code history here
http://antiquesockets.com/nec.html

They make reference to a lot of PDF copies of old documents.

This is the earliest one and it is interesting because it has a lot of opinions on grounding. One opinion is that the transformer feeding your house should be center taped and the center be grounded. This way there is only half of line voltage to ground anywhere you might get a shock.

The main reason given for grounding was protection against high voltages from a pole transformer primary to secondary short.

http://antiquesockets.com/NEC-LIB/Un...95-VOL-XII.pdf

This 1904 code requires all wires to be fused.
It has a discussion about the pro and con of grounding on Page 53 and says
Inspection departments having jurisdiction may require grounding


and in the Appendix starting on page 123 is a section on ground detectors (A light bulb from each wire to ground) (Two per circuit) to show if there is a ground so you can find it and get rid of it.

http://antiquesockets.com/NEC-LIB/1904-NEC.pdf

Here is some 1918 info on grounding
http://antiquesockets.com/NEC-LIB/NEC-1918.pdf


I have two books written in 1919 and 1920 on house wiring and neither mentions grounding or a neutral or a return. The directions for a switch do not say which of the two conductors to wire it into, just pick one.

I have a permanent light plant (Generator) made by Kohler in 1947 It has two outputs, L1 and L2 neither are labeled ground L2 is connected to the negative battery terminal but neither side of the starting battery is grounded. (More info here.)

http://www.oldengine.org/members/frank/kohler1.htm

It appears that there was a period of time when neutral, Ground, fuseing, and other things were changing fast and some were not paying attention to the code.

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If one code is good, 3 are better.
http://antiquesockets.com/NEC-LIB/El...st_Edition.pdf

One of them says that concealed wiring should be avoided if possible.

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Old 06-04-2012, 07:10 PM   #45
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I am really into the antique electrical stuff we run across every now and then, especially if it's in great working order. Now, this is awesome.
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At first I was surprised at the amount of branch circuits. The oldest stuff I find around my area is fusebox knob and tube and it's rare to see more than 4-6 circuits. Then I glanced back at the pic of the house, WOW! They sure don't build 'em like that anymore. Very cool pix, thanks for sharing.
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This is a museum piece.

Just a question ... ... Is there a museum of electrical equipment?

If so, Where?

I love seeing this stuff, the ingenuity was outstanding!
Edison's lab in greenfield village
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Wow, that's amazing looking!

Thanks for sharing~!

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