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Fredman

Or you would get to go find and clean out the dead strangled decomposing cat blocking your path.

480sparky

Any work not performed by you is hack.

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BBQ

Hell no, lots of folks do better work than I.

But laying data cables on suspended ceilings is in my personal opinion hack work.




Please note I did not say I have never done it, I am just willing to admit I have short comings and at times do some hack work.

erics37

How did you strap those cables?

480sparky

Well, if you want to assume the cables were laying on the grid, so be it. Nothing I can do to convince you otherwise, despite that being the case.

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kaboler

If the customer buys the velcro, I'll use velcro. Otherwise, it's electrical tape on a clean surface. Other than that, tie wraps. But only if my journeyman orders me to use them. I personally feel that a pinch every 10 feet isn't so great, but like you all say, shut up and listen to your journeyman.

chewy

Its when the grid fails and people get trapped inside a building because of all the sh!t running on the grid that concerns me. AV and Fire Alarm guys over here are the worst. Not to mention the firefighters who could be in a building tearing grid down during a high rise fire, 1 cat5 in the wrong place could be life or death for them.

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chewy

Really??? I hope you are just trolling because nobody could be this stupid not to mention completely oblivious to their own stupidity.

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user4818

Kaboler = Katroller.

RICK BOYD

we had a remote army tank for a puller over dropped ceilings.

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RICK BOYD

you tie the cat to the negative end , cat-ode ? cat-ion ?


FISHING AND FISHING DEVICES
247a. Animals as Assistants in Fishing.
In certain cases where other methods were not feasible, small animals have been used to draw pulling-in lines through wireways. Trained weasels have been used in threading underground conduit subways. In finished-building wiring, a cat can often be made to draw a cord through a raceway between floor and ceiling that is so obstructed by braces and bridges that it cannot be readily fished by the ordinary means. A length of cord is tied to a harness on the cat or to the animals tail. The cat is then placed in one end of the wireway and that end darkened. The far end of the wireway is illuminated with a candle if necessary. The cat will usually walk toward and out of the illuminated end of the wireway bringing the pulling-in cord with her.[/quote]

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Ty Wrapp

Don't cinch the tie wraps too tight, and place them at irregular intervals.

chewy

It thins out the electrons and gives multi pair conduction which results in higher rates of transmission if you cinch them down really tight, I recommend hiring a specialist with stranglers hands to do data looming.

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nrp3

Do they sell trained weasels at petco?

erics37

There are plenty of ferrets and other mustelids available for adoption from previous owners that abandoned or otherwise couldn't take care of them. Petco sells ferrets supplied by ferret mills. Next time you go there, look at the ferrets ears; if they have one or two small dots tattooed just inside their ear lobe, they were supplied by a ferret mill.

Here's a ferret rescue organization in New Hampshire:

http://www.ferretwise.org/

Norcal

Don't even get me started about low voltage installers, the only thing they seem to be good for is to use them for medical experiments, at this time am dealing w/the damage they did when installing their cable, in numerous locations the bozo's smashed holes through 2 hour firewalls & left it, not to mention the carnage left behind on the ductwork.

millelec

we've been babysitting a ferret for several months while the owners are going thru a housing crunch. Love the little dude, he's affectionate, smart, REALLY quick learner, and will pull my 1/2" Milwaukee hammer drill across the floor by sinking his teeth into the resilient part of the handle grip. Agreed that would only use lightweight pull string tho. He loves pulling toys w/elastic string thru some 4" corrugated drain tubing we bought for him.

90Deg.bend

I don't know about animals and electricity. I've seen what happens to a squirrel in a substation transformer. At least the blackened lump was the size of a squirrel.

goose134

Well, now that we've got how to pull the conduits down, I guess we've got to figure out how to train a dog to sniff out boxes buried in the yard.

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