Uk 17th Edition Regs - Electrician Talk - Professional Electrical Contractors Forum

cornishsparks · 01-24-2008, 05:30 PM

So the 17th edition has finally been published this week, has any one had chance to read a copy yet.
I was offered a copy by a local wholesalers for £65.00 for a nice red book not as thick as the previous 16th books.Declined to buy a copy today
didnt want to pay for it too close to the end of the month.

Trimix-leccy · 01-24-2008, 06:03 PM

Personally I am waiting for the first ammendment, due to be published [at an additional cost] right about now

I wait with baited breath to see what Amtechs response is. Probably have sorted out the 'issues' just in time for licence renewal

Have you listened to the MK Podcast on the new regs? I downloaded it but have not listened yet

cornishsparks · 01-25-2008, 12:51 PM

Yes i have the same idea, i was stupid enough to buy megger power suite to put on my computer forgetting about the 17th.
I am wondering if megger will be charging to upgrade my software package
to 17th.
I also have lots of written and PC certificates to use up.
I think theese regs are another ill fated not thought out scheme just like part P and changing the colour of conductors a few years ago.
For years we have been plodding away nicely until the last few when all this is put on us in one go.
Become a Mc Donalds employee no stress or aggrevation.

leeroy · 01-26-2008, 06:23 PM

got my copy last tuesday. very interesting, fair few changes as expected not entirly sure what to make of some of the new regs, got my 17th edition course in feb so will understand it a bit more then

chrisb271 · 01-29-2008, 04:40 PM

I see now in the 17th you have to perform a phase rotation test,This should really be a worthwhile test.

Just give me a moment to think WHY ????

Chris

Trimix-leccy · 01-29-2008, 05:45 PM

Thank God for that! Brilliant, marvellous.

Many many many years ago one of my suppliers was selling off a load of oddball testgear for 'donations to charity'. I bought 2 items
1 was a discharge lamp tester; this gets used quite often
1 was a phase rotation tester

never had the need to use it [the 3 leads on it are red, white and blue!!] made by a company called BEHA. Looks good quality. Must give it a try tomorrow

cornishsparks · 01-30-2008, 12:58 PM

if the motor goes backwards you have the wrong phase rotation.
end of test
swap phases over job done.

Trimix-leccy · 01-30-2008, 04:09 PM

Pound to a pinch of sh!te that the NIC man wants a calibration cert for it

cornishsparks · 01-30-2008, 04:44 PM

And a machine to calibrate it to make sure its working properly as well

as a calibration certificate.

Trimix-leccy · 01-30-2008, 05:02 PM

Starts getting a bit silly doesn't it! We bought a Seaward Checkbox 16 about 6 or seven years ago. Our calibration costs were getting serious as we have
2 robin 1620
4 multimeters
2 RCD testers
3 Loop testers
as well as 3 PAT testers
2 Metrohm Meggers

Now all we do is get the Checkbox calibrated once a year, save a fortune.

Years ago we used to do a lot of Sheet and Plate metalworking machinery as a sub-contractor,. Install, rebuld, repair, commission, fault find etc. Usually without drawings

Quite interesting though. Anyway the client that employed us was going for BS 5950 ??? that quality one. Assessor wanted to see a calibration cert for my multimeter [this is 20+ years ago]
He could not understand that I really was not bothered what the exact V was [not PLC or electronics, just relays ' I like relays!!'] All I was interested in was 'is it 12v 24v 50v 110v 240v 415v'...so he said to me 'what if it was 16v?' I said that that would indicate a 'disparity problem'. He nodded knowingly and went upon his merry way!!

They got the BS that they wanted though

chrisb271 · 01-30-2008, 05:36 PM

I see also that the 17th has an updated section on fairground installations and inspection and testing on them,well this really is going to have an impact on the pykies,is that a rumble of thunder i hear in the distance or is it the sound of the pykies feet beating a way to the wholesalers to purchase their earth rods as they have to put everything on a TT system ?????

Maybe the phone will be constantly ringing as the gypos realise that the 17th edition regulations has it in black and white that they need regular inspection and testing as they are infact temporary installations .

Hmmmmm don't think i will hold my breath

Trimix-leccy · 01-30-2008, 06:10 PM

Imagine trying to get paid in advance

of course you could always send them an invoice, 30 days and all that

Yet another case of 'not being in the real world'...and who will police it. That disgraced thieving Tory politician could do it to pay back all of 'our' money he paid to his family for 'not' working for him

TW@

philip657 · 02-08-2008, 02:25 PM

what do you guys do now are you going to start wiring to the 17th edition or will you all start when you HAVE to.

i was thinking to start looking into wireing to the rcbos into the curcuits i am going to

Trimix-leccy · 02-08-2008, 04:33 PM

17th ! Not even started to the 16th yet! When did that come in?

I'll wait 'til my free seminar next week. all will then become crystal clear

Just how much is a 12 way board with 8 rcbos in it?

philip657 · 02-08-2008, 04:44 PM

that sounds very expensive.

thats got to be about £280 :S

just looking at the barthroom haveing to have evrything on a rcb that realy is not practical and what a 3 pin plug in the bathroom why and who think we need that realy that is asking for troble

Trimix-leccy · 02-08-2008, 04:58 PM

3 pin plug is in case the wife wants to balance a radiator on the edge of the bath, whilst she is having a soak

philip657 · 02-08-2008, 05:16 PM

sounds like a good plan would they like a arieal there as well so they can balance a tv on the bath

chrisb271 · 02-09-2008, 03:42 PM

Well i think i might put a socket next to the shower the wife can dry her hair whilst having a shower,save no end of time

Well i'm just getting my head round the 14th edition , no silly rcds or rcbo's in there and i can get rid of that job lot of cheapo 2.5mm earth wire i bought for main bonds

Has the EETPU moved addresses

Chris

sparkie · 04-13-2008, 05:05 AM

or a free extension lead as the socket not close enough for a portable tv

frank · 04-13-2008, 08:14 AM

How about self calibration.
That's what I do and the Nicky man thinks it's a good and acceptable idea.

For Meggers and Continuity tests - use a simple resistor box.
For RCD testers - use a dedicated socket at home or office
For Earth Loops - use a dedicated socket at home or office.

Make up your own test results sheet and test 3/4 time a year.

For Phase rotation - well, not got that one figured yet

Frank