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Old 02-14-2014, 01:14 AM   #41
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Not in my local. A cw 6 makes 20 and that's the final stage.
That's a second year apprentices wages.

Then they become CE s (making what 3rd thru 5th years make ) which in turn become JWs if they presevere. Just like apprentices. Then they become JWs.

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Old 02-14-2014, 02:22 AM   #42
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Don't listen to this bs. I'd like to hear from someone that any cw or ce took work out of their hands. I put my faith in the hall for excepting these guys and In my opinion it is being handled right.
IMO dont drink the kool-aid.
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Old 02-14-2014, 04:13 AM   #43
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Any "A" JW IBEW member who supports the CE/CW program in the way the IO wants it implemented should be ashamed of themselves. I hope that it is YOU who is sitting the bench while some under-trained and under-paid worker comes in and does your job, because you certainly don't care if it happens to other men.

The IO just gave back 50 years of wages, benefits, and conditions, and here people are patting them on the back for it
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Any "A" JW IBEW member who supports the CE/CW program in the way the IO wants it implemented should be ashamed of themselves. I hope that it is YOU who is sitting the bench while some under-trained and under-paid worker comes in and does your job, because you certainly don't care if it happens to other men.

The IO just gave back 50 years of wages, benefits, and conditions, and here people are patting them on the back for it
Hey Brother, did you listen to the youtube video?
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Hey Brother, did you listen to the youtube video?
No, I'm not watching a 48 minute video.

I watched the DVD that the IO sent me many years ago, that spelled out the disdain that the IO has for the existing JW's quite clearly.
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No, I'm not watching a 48 minute video.

I watched the DVD that the IO sent me many years ago, that spelled out the disdain that the IO has for the existing JW's quite clearly.

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Any "A" JW IBEW member who supports the CE/CW program in the way the IO wants it implemented should be ashamed of themselves. I hope that it is YOU who is sitting the bench while some under-trained and under-paid worker comes in and does your job, because you certainly don't care if it happens to other men.

The IO just gave back 50 years of wages, benefits, and conditions, and here people are patting them on the back for it
So are you a union contractor now?
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So are you a union contractor now?
No, I weaseled my way out of it by bankrupting my company and having my wife start my new company in her name.
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Any "A" JW IBEW member who supports the CE/CW program in the way the IO wants it implemented should be ashamed of themselves. I hope that it is YOU who is sitting the bench while some under-trained and under-paid worker comes in and does your job, because you certainly don't care if it happens to other men.

The IO just gave back 50 years of wages, benefits, and conditions, and here people are patting them on the back for it
I don't know how the program is implemented in your area, but the use of CE/CW is supposed to be limited to small work, where the total electrical contract costs remain below a certain level. Here that means storefronts, small shopping centers, dealerships, houses, things the IBEW contractors weren't doing anyway. You can't put a CE/CW on a $100,000.00 contracted job and replace A Journeymen.
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I don't know how the program is implemented in your area, but the use of CE/CW is supposed to be limited to small work, where the total electrical contract costs remain below a certain level. Here that means storefronts, small shopping centers, dealerships, houses, things the IBEW contractors weren't doing anyway. You can't put a CE/CW on a $100,000.00 contracted job and replace A Journeymen.
In my local the CE/CW program simply replaced the "B" program that we've had for decades. It's like you said, small jobs or even resi work. I have no problem with that at all.

However, that is NOT how the IO intended it to be, and many locals who aren't as strong as my own went along with what the IO wants, which is to put CE/CW's on real jobs in replacement of "A" JW's in order to lower the cost for the contractors to try and gain more marketshare. In reality, the IO cares more about dues and pension money than anything else.
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In my local the CE/CW program simply replaced the "B" program that we've had for decades. It's like you said, small jobs or even resi work. I have no problem with that at all.

However, that is NOT how the IO intended it to be, and many locals who aren't as strong as my own went along with what the IO wants, which is to put CE/CW's on real jobs in replacement of "A" JW's in order to lower the cost for the contractors to try and gain more marketshare. In reality, the IO cares more about dues and pension money than anything else.
I'm sorry, but that is NOT how the IO intended it to be. The CE/CWs are not supposed to be on "real" jobs. They're supposed to be on the jobs that IBEW contractors weren't bidding on, the market we DIDN'T have, due to the inability to compete on price due to the signifigantly higher wages and apprentice/journeyman ratios an IBEW contractor has to pay. If your local is actually putting JWs out of large work with CEs then it is not implementing the program as the IO intended.
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I'm sorry, but that is NOT how the IO intended it to be.
You will be a lot sorrier if you actually believe what you just said.
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I don't know how the program is implemented in your area, but the use of CE/CW is supposed to be limited to small work, where the total electrical contract costs remain below a certain level. Here that means storefronts, small shopping centers, dealerships, houses, things the IBEW contractors weren't doing anyway. You can't put a CE/CW on a $100,000.00 contracted job and replace A Journeymen.
not at all the case in az. they can be used however the contractor wants. so you can understand why this angers some jw's.
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No, I weaseled my way out of it by bankrupting my company and having my wife start my new company in her name.
Almost split my gut laughing
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Don't drink the kool-aid.
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this is off topic, but something interesting I found out about our ibew president.

http://theibewunionburyingground.blo...0_archive.html
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No, I weaseled my way out of it by bankrupting my company and having my wife start my new company in her name.
so you are a bankrupt weasel?
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also ran across this:

if it was only for m work fine...but in other states, these guys are now doing almost all of the work. in austin tx #60, there was a call last week for 2 jmen and 25 CEs that is not what we NYers call m work, that is taking jobs away from journeymen. like i said the contractors will take advantage of anything they can to make money ...and the IO has just handed them a giant wage DECREASE.
while the IO gets more dues payers.
MIJ is paying back to the local as far as i was taught. so i was proud to be one.these guys (CE/CWs) are organized for the sole purpose of ELIMINATING the journeyman and his pay scale as we know it..these classifications are not like MIJs. they have a ceiling, they do not graduate to journeyman.
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Jim and Joe are both paid 30/hr , Jim works extra hard and Joe does just the minimum. How long will it take before Jim realizes he can do minimum and still get 30/hr like Joe. This is what the contractor faces when he bids against the contractor that pays Jim 30.00/hr and Joe 18.00/hr. The thing to remember is if the union contractor can't get the work it does not matter what your scale is .

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