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Member Liuna local 689
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denied by the union
guys get this about 4 months ago when i was out of work again i called the local 130 and inquired about joining and i was told i could not because i never passed algebra when i was in high school yes i quit school but i went back and got my ged and have been in the field for 3 years my question is this has anyone heard of this practice anywhere else or is this a common grounds for denial thanks guys for any light yall can shed on this for me
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11-04-2009, 06:29 AM
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Doesn't sound right at all. GED should suffice. Pay a visit in person, get the rules/requirements on paper and in your hand, talk to a director about it. If the rules are that rigid, you may have to test in some other way.
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11-04-2009, 09:33 AM
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Most programs require 1 year of algebra take a night course at a CC
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11-04-2009, 09:36 AM
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Are computer keyboards these days made without Shift and punctuation keys?
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11-04-2009, 11:30 AM
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My local and every local I have heard about requires Algebra. However, if you didn't take it in high school it is perfectly acceptable to take a night course.
Your local might be different, or they might not be taking many people in this bad economy so they were trying to keep you away.
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11-04-2009, 12:29 PM
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When I got in 15 years ago, I had to take an algebra class at the local j.c. because I never had in high school. Usally one semester of basic or begining algebra fits the requirements.
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11-04-2009, 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by rewire
Most programs require 1 year of algebra take a night course at a CC
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I agree here. Getting your GED is a good first step, but you have to be able to work algebra to get through the apprenticeship. It is painful to watch an otherwise great worker struggle and still not get a passing grade. Take courses.
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11-04-2009, 01:10 PM
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algebra 99 will give you the basics you need once out in the world you will not use alot of algebra but basic math skills are a must.
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11-04-2009, 03:43 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ryanapplequist
guys get this about 4 months ago when i was out of work again i called the local 130 and inquired about joining and i was told i could not because i never passed algebra when i was in high school yes i quit school but i went back and got my ged and have been in the field for 3 years my question is this has anyone heard of this practice anywhere else or is this a common grounds for denial thanks guys for any light yall can shed on this for me
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i told you - Go to Nunez
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11-04-2009, 03:49 PM
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Member Liuna local 689
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i know but i cant even do that till i pay off the first student loan from years back got it in defferment right now
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11-04-2009, 03:51 PM
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i know but i cant even do that till i pay off the first student loan from years back got it in defferment right now
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that should have been done a while ago - given your employment concerns you should be able to ask for an emergency forberance and go from there
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11-04-2009, 04:00 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rewire
algebra 99 will give you the basics you need once out in the world you will not use alot of algebra but basic math skills are a must.
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Being able to do math seems to help the thought process.
And while you seldom use it, there is no doubt it is important.
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11-04-2009, 04:05 PM
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Originally Posted by brian john
Being able to do math seems to help the thought process.
And while you seldom use it, there is no doubt it is important.
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ouch  you wound me so with your scathing words of rebuke
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11-04-2009, 04:08 PM
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you two play nice with each other ya hear 
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11-04-2009, 04:10 PM
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Member Liuna local 689
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Quote:
Originally Posted by nolabama
that should have been done a while ago - given your employment concerns you should be able to ask for an emergency forberance and go from there
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im sure u know the reasons i let it lapse over the years but i did start paying it off and got it back in good standing when i was on that job in venice actually knocked it down 700 buck in like 4 months but ever since febuary well you know im gonna look into that emergency thing u talked about
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11-04-2009, 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by ryanapplequist
im sure u know the reasons i let it lapse over the years but i did start paying it off and got it back in good standing when i was on that job in venice actually knocked it down 700 buck in like 4 months but ever since febuary well you know im gonna look into that emergency thing u talked about
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yeah that will work out if you call and tell em - whatever you do DO NOT DEFAULT ON THAT LOAN your credit score will never be able to go above about 650 due to Federal laws
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11-04-2009, 04:24 PM
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you two play nice with each other ya hear |
I just put him time out for the next 30 days 
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11-04-2009, 04:28 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by brian john
Being able to do math seems to help the thought process.
And while you seldom use it, there is no doubt it is important.
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I'm not trying to correct anyone but simple pipe bending is all algebra. We all know the multipliers for offsets but they are based on algebra. Cosine and tangent of angles.
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11-04-2009, 05:41 PM
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ouch you wound me so with your scathing words of rebuke |
That was not rebuke that was supporting your statement and furthering. NO HARM WAS MEANT...We have over sensitized you.
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11-04-2009, 05:44 PM
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Quote:
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I'm not trying to correct anyone but simple pipe bending is all algebra. We all know the multipliers for offsets but they are based on algebra. Cosine and tangent of angles.
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Yes and good layout on a large deck can rely on algebra. most electricians may not need the math BUT my point is/was it does not damage the mind to know math and advance math.
EVERYTHING we do relies on math, a calculus professor once told the class that even the simple toilet paper is a mathematical equation, the basic design is to use the least amount of paper to get the most wipe for the buck.
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